It appears AndrewTalk is back up and running.

Unless it was paid for by stolen Credit Card.

what a strange twist of events. and a waste of money..

For a somebody not having the balls to print who you are, you prove to be very brave.

Romanian did not invent cybernetics , but that’s not to say they where not big participant in it either.

Ştefan Odobleja (1902 - 1978) was a Romanian scientist, one of the precursors of cybernetics. His major work, Psychologie consonantiste, first published in 1938 and 1939, in Paris, had established many of the major themes of cybernetics regarding cybernetics and systems thinking ten years before the work of Norbert Wiener was published (1948).

I think you should reconsider everythink you think you know. You`ll be surprised that 99% of what you think now is actually wrong, bad, mistaken.

Ive been around the world twice and have done much of eastern Europe. Anything ex-russian is freaking scary.
Even a place like Germany which I would call first world has its ex-russian East Berlin. The difference between the americanized west Berlin and russian east Berlin is a big one. Even today with the wall down if you walk from one to the other, you know you’ve crossed where the wall was. It suddenly gets really scary.

“For a somebody not having the balls to print who you are, you prove to be very brave.”

My name and my e-mail are written in the required field , John as decided to not show them , for some reason. No need to be brave to disagree with someone like you , by that I mean someone insecure , nothing more , who is wrong.

“Ştefan Odobleja … was published (1948).”

Like I said , Romania and Ştefan Odobleja did not invent cybernetics , because I knew what your false information and false reference was.

The Roots of Cybernetic theory

The word cybernetics (’cybernétique’) was first used in the context of “the study of self-governance” by Plato in The Laws to signify the governance of people. The words govern and governor are related to the same Greek root through the Latin cognates gubernare and gubernator. It was also used in 1834 by the physicist André-Marie Ampère (1775–1836) to denote the sciences of government in his classification system of human knowledge.

The first artificial automatic regulatory system, a water clock, was invented by the mechanician Ktesibios. In his water clocks, water flowed from a source such as a holding tank in to a reservoir, then from the reservoir to the mechanisms of the clock. Ktesibios’s device used a cone shaped float to monitor the level of the water in it’s reservoir and adjust the rate of flow of the water accordingly to maintain a constant level of water in the reservoir, so that it neither overflowed nor was allowed to run dry. This is the first artificial truely automatic self-regulatory device that required no outside intervention between the feedback and the controls of the mechanism. Although they did not refer to this concept by the name of Cybernetics (they considered it a field of engineering) Ktesibios and others such as Heron and Su Song are considered to be some of the first to study cybernetic principles.

The study of teleological mechanisms (from the Greek τέλος or telos for end, goal, or purpose) in machines with corrective feedback dates from as far back as the late 1700s when James Watt’s steam engine was equipped with a governor, a centripetal feedback valve for controlling the speed of the engine. In 1868 James Clerk Maxwell published a theoretical article on governors, one of the first to discuss and refine the principals of self-regulating devices.

I don’t need to reconsider anything at all , you offered no new information , you where lied to , by your own government and teachers , you consider your education to be exact , when the proof is in the details you where unaware of even existed.

Since I was educated properly and I consider my word here , I wont suggest that you reconsider everything you know , just that you know that your education
and teaching in this mater are incorrect , the worldwide recognized answers is more complete ,you are incorrect by major omissions and by propaganda and political lies.

The mater is completely close for me , I said what I had to say , if you can get the worldwide recognized cybernetics body to agree with you , then I will agree with you , but they won’t , so I don’t.

Out of curiousity, Valentin and the Anonymous guy. Where are you guys from? Im assuming one of you is from east europe because its getting pretty emotionally involved.

I am not a Romanian, but have lot of Romanian Colleagues ( i work in a “western” European country). Its a pity that for Americans, anything non-american or non-british is third world. Yes Romania is not so well-off, but that doesn’t make it third world. Looking at the way the dollar is sliding down, America might soon lose its ground!

“Its a pity that for Americans”

Third world , and world fragmentation /was an European creation. The term was coined in 1952 by French demographer Alfred Sauvy to refer to what are now called developing countries. The definition as changed this days to include fourth world and fifth world and developing countries. It’s as much an economical qualification then a economy and commerce and currency exchange qualification this days

“Yes Romania is not so well-off, but that doesn’t make it third world.”

not so well-off = third world.

- First world are G8 country.
- Second world are well off but not as rich or as influencing of other’s.
- Third world are not so poor , but on the brink of it , there not as technologically advanced as other’s and are not as competitive as other’s.

Note : Romania is on it’s way to be second world , but there not really there yet.

- Fourth world are poor country , where the status of living is still good.

- Fifth world are country where war and commerce is interrupted continuously , but they don’t need monetary external contribution.

Devloping country are country where the most basic need are not met.

Currency is not the determining factor.

What ground would America be loosing ? I suspect your also talking about the US only. The lowering currency only affect people who rely only on the US currency. The big US conglomerate and big corporation deal in many currency and are unnafected by it.