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Guaranteed 15.5% Annual Return On Your Investment

written by Michael Kwan on October 19, 2007

How one lazy bum made $176,697.50

Although John Chow dot Com is mostly about making money online, the root of all evil is also interested in other ways that you can rake in the cash. He’s talked about trading money online through Forex, for example, but what about a completely different way to invest your money? Vu Le of TripleCD Investments ordered this ReviewMe request so that he could tell you about their unique way to GUARANTEE a 15.5% annual return. What’s more, you get some link love out of the deal too.

How Does It Work?

TripleCD Investments isn’t going to teach you their methods. They’re not going to set you loose into the world to use their strategies so that you can make some crazy money on your own. Instead, you’ve got to go through them. Sounds almost like the secret Adsense algorithm, doesn’t it?

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When you look at the How It Works page, not much is told except that you will “earn a guaranteed 15.5% annual return on your investment while driving traffic to your website.” I’ll get to the second part of that in a second, but I think most of you are more interested in the first part, right? Well, you’ve got to go to the About Us page for that information.

In a nutshell, you hand over cash (via Paypal) and get TripleCD to “invest” it on your behalf. I use the word “invest” loosely, because what they’re really doing is sports betting.

We apply stock market principles to professional sports betting and are backed by over 10 years of experience. Our approach is best described as moderately conservative. We invest in major professional and college sports, and constantly perform due diligence to capitalize on emerging opportunities.

That’s right. You’re the seed money for their gambling habit. That said, they guarantee a 15.5% annual return. This is paid after the 365 day term expires, again via Paypal.

Why is It Called TripleCD?

The reason why they decided to call their company TripleCD Investments is because the 15.5% APY is “approximately triple (3x) the highest yields offered by institutional banks for one (1) year term CD’s.” In case you’re not familiar, a CD (not compact disc) is a certificate of deposit. It works much like a savings account except there is a fixed term and a fixed interest rate.

To prove to you that 15.5% truly is triple the average one year CD, the website provides a link to Bankrate.com, showing the going rate. Looking at this page, the typical APY is anywhere from 4.50% to 5.65%.

What’s This About Website Traffic?

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When you “invest” your money with TripleCD, you get the fringe benefit of owning a certain number of pixels on their homepage, much like the Million Dollar Homepage. For every $100 (US) that you invest, you get a single gray block and you must reserve a minimum of 2 blocks. You can use these blocks to link to whatever website you’d like, so if you want to link back to your blog, that’s fine. Want to link to a particular affiliate deal? That’s OK too.

As you can see from the screen capture above, it seems like TripleCD has only elicited two investors thus far. One links to Lunarpages Web Hosting and the other links to The Greater Bay Area Make-A-Wish Foundation. But wait, what’s this link I find in the footer?

There’s some linked text reading “Where should I host my website?” Guess where that leads? Yup, Lunarpages. I suspected that both links are affiliate links and a click-through confirmed my suspicions, though the affiliate part of the link disappears pretty quickly. I did manage to do a screen cap though.

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Financial Tips and Google Adsense

The other main page on TripleCD Investments is a list of Financial Tips. These aren’t original articles. Instead, they link to external articles on Investopedia, Yahoo! Finance, and BusinessWeek, for example.

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Interestingly, TripleCD does feature several Google Adsense blocks: a skyscraper on most pages and a leaderboard banner in the footer. Couple this with the financial tips mentioned above and you’ve got to wonder why TripleCD would want to drive traffic away from their site.

Will It Work? Can I Trust TripleCD?

It’s hard to say. There appear to be zero legitimate sales thus far and even if you do invest, it is being “invested” in sports gambling. Until someone tries these guys out and actually realizes the 15.5% annual yield, I can’t say for sure how trustworthy TripleCD Investments really is.

They say that you’re covered under Paypal’s merchant agreement, but I thought Buyer Protection doesn’t extend for a full year. Does it?

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I dont know why people which are offering services that sound like a scam still order up your reviews John! :P They know they're going to be crushed

Most probably it is a scam.. Their website is offline for a couple of days.. Great Review though !

Very good review of that web page Mr. John Chow.
I always read his blog

Maybe this is a scam... the website is closed! I thought it could have been a good idea....maybe they are just redoin' it.

ReviewMe One Buck Wiki next please John Chow?

This is real sad. John dude reconsider the reviews you take man. If you are to do these then at least make sure that you can verify whether they are good or not.

John takes the reviews to make money, it really doesn't matter what the subject matter is.
Suppose Michael had given a glowing review of this site despite it's short comings, the readers here would have still figured out the flaws and posted them in the comments. The readers here are quite resourceful.
This scammer who launched TripleCD got lucky that this was their punishment (a scathing response on this blog) and not an investigation by the SEC or having all their PayPal funds frozen for violating their rules.

John, Please accept my "phew" for that wonderful piece of blogging. Goes to show the power of a good blog.

Hmm... the site seems to be down. What does that mean? :?:

They've shut down already probably because of being exposed as a scam here.

I ... wow. Lol! It was a great review of ... a ... well, a scam. :P

I guess I should chime in here.

TCD: When you order a ReviewMe, you are not guaranteed a positive review. What I wrote above was my 100% honest impression of your site/system. It may be true, it may not, but it is MY OPINION. People can agree me with me or they can choose not to, that is THEIR OPINION.

If you were expecting a glowingly positive review written by John, you obviously have not read the other reviews on this site. I write a lot of them, and I always try to offer a balanced opinion. I look for the good, but I also look for the bad. You'll notice that I gave you a favorable title, but I also warn readers of the less favorable elements of TCD.

Michael Kwan,

You are an amateur writer at best, and you fail to grasp the bigger picture. It shows through in your writing. It lacks any insight nor do you understand the impact or lack of impact when it comes to choosing your words. Your critical analysis skills are horrible. I've read your articles all over the internet and one thing is for sure, you will never make a sustainable career from writing.

Before the majority of you brainless John Chow readers start disagreeing with what I say, read this link:
http://www.briangardner.com/blog/the-john-chow-rev...

Apparently, the more mature readers on that site are quick to point out that Michael Kwan's review of that particular product was "cold", "drab", and "uninterested". Michael, I don't need to prove to you your writing stinks. Other people have done that. Read on.

In addition, the site owner has this to say, "Yes, there were some things about the review that I wasn’t happy about, and a lot of backlash from the commenters. In all honesty, it really doesn’t bother me what a 17 year old blogger from across the globe thinks about my themes."

And that my friends, speaks to the immaturity of many of John Chow's readers, many of whom are broke ass immature males who lack the foresight to think beyond what is in front of them. The site owner is being diplomatic with his words, but I'm sure deep down inside he feels that Michael Kwan's review did not do his hard work justice.

Now, here is what Michael Kwan himself has to say on his blog during the time in which he wrote our review, "I just came back from the doctor’s office a couple hours ago, telling him about this nagging cough that has been bothering me for the past few days. He very quickly determined that it’s bronchitis and it should be cleared up with a few days of antibiotics. I’m feeling a little more tired than usual and my mind isn’t quite functioning the way it should be too. If I had myself a regular job, I probably would have called in sick today." Unfortunately, this sick ass m-fcker had to drag his ass out of bed to write a sh*tty review.

As for John Chow himself, I'm surprised he doesn't take more pride to rectify this situation. It makes his blog look bad and it makes his readers look bad. And I'm sure any potential future advertisers will shy away from his sponsored reviews. I'm fortunate that I can shut down my website and continue to make money OFFLINE, which is what I will do in this case. For me, it's not worth dealing with all this negativity. If my earnings were strictly based online, that would suck. I sure as hell don't need to deal with immature John Chow readers, many of whom post comments repeatedly kissing John's ass so they can steal some of his traffic.

Personally I think this review was GREAT. Like the others mentioned, a review gives an HONEST opinion about a website or service and Michael did that. Yes he did the right thing by reviewing the site, people have to know about these types of scams. Think about how many people read this review and now know that there are these types of "investments" out there. Even if tripleCD(lol) changes their name and tries to resurrect their dead business, at least people will know it's likely them again.

I just find it incredibly funny and amazing that the owners of these sites keep paying for reviews. I think it's because they too want to "get rich quick" so they think they can just make these little websites, pay for a quick $400 review and be on their way to getting 100's of people to "invest". Lastly, the paypal guarantee was the icing on the cake. Perhaps the funniest thing I've ever read in a while.

lol. what a scam. paypal merchant agreement is only valid for physical items.

Review means to tell what do you think about such a website and it would be a diservice to the community if John sees a hole there but he refuses to review. Someone can fall into the hole and die. If it's something that only affect the owner of the website , for example if John refuses to review my site because he thought it was a stupid site, then it was okay since the website would not affect other people. But look, if it wasn't serious enough, I don't think the Attorney General of California would have comment to this posting. Or, do you think Jerry Brown has nothing to do but spending time to post a comment to John Chow dot com?

Yup, TripleCD website is gone!

RIP

I dont understand something doesnt John first approve a website before he does a review... Would he invest his money in such a thing? If not why is he promoting it to it's visitors? Why is he doing it only for that $400???

Hmm.... Maybe John Chow should think about which reviews he accepts.

Why? I think he does a great service to the community. Would you prefer to let this going on without letting unsophisticated people to know about what's waiting for them? Isn't that great that even the Atty. Gen of California would be willing to response to this review? I was amazed reading the comment of the former Governor and now the Attorney General of California. Good job John and Michael.

I have to agree with drt. I think John's blog just provided the world a great service by helping to expose and derail this fraud. It's a win/win scenario between John and his readers (I realize that someone else wrote the review) - he just collected money for the space that was purchased on his blog, and thanks to everyone here, thousands of people just avoided yet another scam (even the ones who don't even know that triplecd ever existed, but who might have fallen for it one day).

1 more SCAM launch into the market...For sure later or earlier paypal will blocked that account whose using to paid or received payment from them...

hahaha the power of this blog is great.....nice rss numbers John

Haha, they took the site down.

I love how they were getting all defensive. Let the sheep be sheep? I'd rather be a "sheep" and build my business consistently while investing in real assets such as stock or real estate then to hand money over to gamblers lol. He got all butt hurt and told us to stick to our 9-5's, thats probably what he'll be doing after a few losing streaks.

Oh and heres a thought "tripleCD", why pay 15.5%? That's way too expensive. Why not leverage yourself to your eyeballs in low interest credit cards where you just have to pay 9.75%? Why not pull HELOCs or home equity loans on your parent's house while paying 7%? Surely you'll have at least 100K by doing that and with the interest saved and consistent 20+% ROI, over your lifetime you'll(if you know how to do that math) you'll be a multi-billionaire lol. So why do you need the money of some poor ol 9-5 sheep? Why waste time making an ugly spammy looking website? You're so confident use your own money and get rich, don't bother with close-minded idiots like us lol.

Yea it's taking me to Red Cross too

Hello -

Anyone else getting a link to the red cross homepage instead of the triple cd page?

Hrm... guaranteed rates based on an all-or-nothing "investment" activity, no formal contract, "just don't worry" assurances that the activity is legal, and a domain registration that expires in less than one year:

"Registered through: Blue Razor Domains, Inc.
Domain Name: TRIPLECD.COM
Created on: 29-Jul-07
Expires on: 29-Jul-08
Last Updated on: 30-Jul-07"

http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?...

This just screams "HYIP".

hmmm....yea you gamble our money and guarantee us 15.5 percent back??? there is no "guarantee" in gambling my friend..something aint kosher about this??? i don't think we're in Kansas anymore Toto :smh:

The adsense ad significantly lowers the value of the site.

I know a company in San Jose California that pays around 2x CD rate. I knew the CEO from all his writing at richdad.com, and later in his own forum. Recently I met with them in San Jose. They issued a Promisory Note back up by real estate. You can check their website at www.stjohncapital.com just for a comparison what have you seen in this review.

Hello everybody,

Let`s assume you are an honest person with a real offer.
So, time for some maths.
Suppose I have $10,000 to invest right now.
After a year I`ll have $ 11,550
After 5 years $20,554.64
After 10 years $42,249.34
After 15 years $ 86,842
After 20 years $178, 500
After 25 years $ 366,901
After 30 years $ 754,153.11
After 35 years $1, 550, 134.74

In other words if you are 25, just put $ 10, 000 in this project, and you don`t need any pension fund. Well, hmm ...

There are plenty of people out there who make thousands and thousands of dollars by betting on sports. On the other hand, there are many who LOSE thousands and thousands. I think the "dissenters" may have been on the losing end one too many times...

Ever watch the World Series of Poker and notice how the same players make it to the final table year after year? Poker is a game of CHANCE but there are professional poker players who EARN MILLIONS every year simply by playing poker at casinos. And guess what? MANY OF THEM HAVE STARTED PLAYING ONLINE. I don't see this service as being any different.

Most of the readers here are simply part of a herd, following whatever is written whether it's a legitimate post, reviewme or directly relates to an affiliate offer like "Free Business Cards". Some people need to start thinking a bit more freely.

If you take anything away from this article it should be the concept of ORIGINALITY. The TripleCD idea is curiously refreshing. Perhaps they could go through a bit more effort in proving their legitimacy BEFORE you contact them. And, I think the "purchased pixels" concept cheapens the service and gives more of a spammy, copycat feel.

HEY GUYS AT TCD... why not put up a YouTube video of yourselves explaining the service you provide... maybe give a few examples of your experience. If you can, ask a few happy clients to record bits as well. Then... take down that spammy pixel page and replace it with something more original.... or nothing at all.

I wish my blog was generating $400 ReviewMe's...

This is a horrible idea. Even if historically they've been able to meet these return figures, you'd have to be a total moron to hand money over to someone whose investment strategy is gambling. Also, they "guarantee" 15% but they're only throwing a word out there. There's nothing to legitimately guarantee this. If your investment isn't insured, there is no guarantee.

The nerve of this guy getting ticked off about a review that is honestly more favorable than it should be.

Hey, you can always goto One Buck Wiki where $1 will be worth TEN TIMES more in couple days... :) hint: we've sold almost 1000 pages so price will go up then.... :)

Hey John and Michael,

Thanks for reviewing the Keetsa mattress like last month ago. Yeah, that was the company I was working for and now I've got my own now. Well not legally but as an idea. If you could drive some Buzz for my new One Buck Wiki as a good idea, I will hook you guys up with a free Keetsa mattress of your choice of size. My sister runs the company, it's a family business so I might be able to hook you guys up.

Michael, are you Korean? i think so... well i am.., 100% birth in korea bred in usa. Kinda make me feel like made in japan but assembled in USA like a 97 Mitsubish Eclipse that I used to have...

Help out a brother promote the cause of FiveDollarWiki and OneDollarWiki!

:)

Max - @ http://zedomax.net

Lol @ one buck wiki claiming
"Buy a Page for just $1
(Limited Time Only!) "

If it's One Buck Wiki.com

Aren't you going to have a bit of difficulty raising the price there mate?

Am personally sick of these wikis. Milliondollarwiki was bad enough, cannot believe people bought into that.

Hey, I think it can be a good site with some improvements for sure.
You need to place the first two "baits" as they call it where you setup some of your own ads to start things off. But this has to be non-spammy. Try to stick with a web design site or just feature your best blogging friends such as John Chow! Thinking of, we will do that on the New One Buck Wiki.

Although it would be a good time to have a link on their homepage because of the current controversy and traffic :-)
But it's $200 for a link.. hmm..
And $400 for a reviewme (blogger only gets half) is a lot to pay for such a blog post. So it can be negative.. hard!

Who guarantees this payment of return? If they themselves are doing it, it is foolish to invest unless they back it with certificates of cash deposits. This is high risk but or therefore high return offer. Thank you but no thank you.

this is crap- but a nice idea with bad execution! gambling? where on earth can gamble surely WIN? :?:

They say they garantee a 15.5% return but can they be trusted?

Mike

THIS IS CLEARLY AND OBVIOUSLY A SCAM!
1) It claims that the return is "guaranteed" but there is no mention of how this guarantee is provided. They cannot guarantee the return if they lose the money gambling, and thus there is really no guarantee at all.
2) I can make %25 a year, really easily. And I have a public, accountant audited 30 year track record to back it up. Should I start a program like this, and guarantee people a %15 return? (Then I could make the %10 spread, right!?) Sure, I could... but instead I'll just tell y'all how I would do it: Put your money in Berkshire Hathaway. %25 return on average for over 25 years. Can't beat that anywhere. Why settle for a measly %15 given to some gamblers with a lot of claims and nothing to back it up? Instead you could be buying a company with a history and billions in assets backing up your investment, guranteed to not go to zero. Bets, they are worthless if they don't pay off. And of course, unlike these gamblers, BRK tells you about their business, how they are spending your money, etc. These scammers just claim to have a "system"... yeah, how many gambling "systems" have people pitched over the years???
3) And of course they won't tell you the secret because then you could do it right? Well, this brings up the most obvious question: Why aren't they doing it? Why would they need money if they have a guaranteed return? Especially if its greater than %15 (they'd have to if their proposal was going to make them money)? They say they have been doing this for years, ok, so why aren't they rich? Why would they need your money at all? This is one of the great halmarks of a scam...it makes no sense, and thus they are relying on greed to cloud your judgement.
4) Man, if it isn't the oldest movie cliche-- the sports bettor asking for money and assuring us that it's a "sure thing". How many times have we seen that in the movies? How many of us have a family black sheep whose constantly at the track losing all his money? Why should we give it to you? You claim you have a sure thing and that you are successful, but as far as we know, you're a degenerate who will blow it all in 24 hours...
5) They did do one thing right- rather than the HYIP promises of %15 a month, they are promising %15 a year.... sounds much more plausible. BUT ITS STILL A SCAM.
6) By the way, their paypal account, you know the one you're supposed to get paid from in 12 months? It won't be there. Hell, they're probably expecting you will have forgotten about t heir scheme in 12 months and never realize you got no money back.
7) Why give %15 return? If you're reliable, there are lots of other places you can get money for less than %15. Hell you could do credit card debt for %6 if you've got a good credit rating and are pulling in the money, like they claim. Lots of funding sources would cost less than %15... thus the only reason they would be turning to "investors" is if they can't pass due dilligence naywhere else, and if the banks- who will loan people making minimum wage enough to buy $500,000 houses won't back them... why should you, again?

Get this thru your head, TCD: YOU ARE A SCAMMER. You can deny it all you want, and maybe you have the best intentions to pay your "investors" off-- but anyone with two braincells knows what the score is, even if you don't. But I think you know, at some level, that what you are doing is wrong, and dishonest. That you cannot really guarantee anything, and that you have no intention of returning money to anyone who you sucker.

Oh, I forgot, the Number ONE statement that proves the person is talking about a scam?
Why, its when they resort to belittling and claiming their detractors have closed minds, and just "stuck in their ways" and "not willing to take the risks to get rich". When they start talking like that you know not only are they a scammer, but they are a pretty poor one (probably under 21 to boot.) Yeah, any "serious investors" won't ask pesky questions, right? Cause people who are high rollers, who know the score, the really serious ones-- they just throw good money after bad scams like this one, don't they? LOL. Language like that is tuned to try and get the wanna be "serious investor"- the guy who has little money but wnats to "play with the big boys" and who thinks theres some "secret" to getting a great return to join in. Unfortunately these people are victims of HYIPs over and over and think that its the government keeping them down or breaking up the HYIP... not that they were scams. Too bad... but using sucker language like that- proof that its a scam.

This is the first post I've ever seen to John Chow.com that made me question the judgement of this site.... you really shouldn't have taken these people's money, even though you were skeptical, you spend too much of the review taking them seriously....

TCD,

Let me give you some feedback. I spent 13+ years in the financial services industry. Here's what I get from your offering:
* A website that does not show the Principals involved. When you are an internet company asking people for "investment money" you need to show who is involved with the company. This is CREDIBILITY!
* For your website to say that peoples money is safe because you are backed by PayPal is completely FALSE and MISLEADING. I'm quite sure PayPal's T&C prohibit this action. Also, I will "guarantee" you that they will pull the plug once they see these claims.
* In order to offer such "investment" you and your company need to be registered with each state. These are called Blue Sky Laws. What you are proposing here is "security type" investment which will require a prospectus to be filed with ALL the states you intend to sell this product in.
* I would caution you to really consult an attorney. The fact that you are so blatant in disclosing gambling as the vehicle you are using is way over the line. There are state and federal regulations that you need to research.
* Taking it even a step further are you set up to give ALL your investors 1099's at the end of the year?
* Another red flag your website does not even have a freakin phone number
* Another red flag your "Whois" look up is hidden. Why?

Here's my "free review". You and your Partner(s) are young. Without question you guys are passionate about what you do. You've had good luck and believe that it will continue (I hope it does). Accepting money in the way you propose is bad enough. But, when you cross state lines that is considered racketeering and the FBI gets involved. Also, don't get on the radar of the IRS. Otherwise, it could prompt a deep cavity search of your income sources going back x years.

Good Luck!!!

http://ag.ca.gov/ag/brown.php

This review suck badly, and so is this

Sounds good, but the waiting part is not

TCD,
>>I’m not afraid to take you doubters head on
Then address each one of my bullet points from the previous comment.
>>I know what I’m doing here is competitive with what the market is offering.

You're "CLAIMING", NOT PROVIDING PROOF, you are beating the market averages by 2 pct. Woopty doo. Only someone not informed invests in CD's. CD's are one of the safest, non-risky, investments, which is why you get a low return. Index funds are fairly low risk, as long as you are in it for the long term. Betting is highly risky, and the reward is only 2% if you do outperfom the averages. The risk doesn't justify the reward.

>>many of the readers of this blog dream of making money, but so many are caught up in their current way of thinking it’s going to close some doors before they are opened.

You are the only one dreaming. Some of us already have businesses.

>>readers prior to you have made assumptions which I’m not going to spend time explaining. I’ll let them continue the 9 to 5 grind.

It's not that you won't, but you can't address my bullet points.

>>Some mentioned investing in bonds, etc. We’ve already cleared those hurdles.

Hah. An index fund is not a bond. Once again, you show you're, frankly, stupidity. I hate to resort to name calling, but you are simply a moron.

Did you even realize in your FAQ you said you will give the customer a return of 115%, not 15%?

>>Sometimes when you know you’re right and the sheep think otherwise, well, you just let them go on being sheep.

I won't speak for myself, but the Scott from wrevenue.com, why don't you take a look at his blog and previous posts on here before calling him a sheep.

I've stopped reading your blog as much John b/c of these ReviewMe posts. I understand having them occasionally, but they seem to make up the bulk of your posts - and most of the services are blahh.

another suck site after million dollar wiki!

I think it is wise to put it black and white something like this :
1. what is the minimum amount I must invested
2. what is the minimum ROI period
3. what if the betting results do not make a minimum 15% return

I think this is a new venture. Some proven performances must be shown to attract clients to take part. If you take it professionally, you must show the past performances to prove that it is really workable.

People can't quickly accept this kind of offer. Even FX trading, stocks trading, stocks options trading sites sometimes can't convice the audience.

Hi,

Click on HOW IT WORKS for questions #1 and #2. #2 is also in big bold white letters on the homepage. Can't miss it.

As for #3, our return is much, much greater than what you would get in the stock market, and far exceeds 15.5%. I'm not going to publicly post the ROI here, but would be happy to speak in depth privately for serious investors. Rest assured, WE DON'T LOSE MONEY.

Any more questions folks? I'm not afraid to take you doubters head on. I know what I'm doing here is competitive with what the market is offering. I've realized now more than ever, many of the readers of this blog dream of making money, but so many are caught up in their current way of thinking it's going to close some doors before they are opened.

Thanks.

"Rest assured, WE DON’T LOSE MONEY."

Yes you do. You lose all of it. I am certain of it. Think I'm wrong? Prove it. Hell, you can't even give a reason to doublt the expectation that you will lose %100 of any money suckers give you.

"so many are caught up in their current way of thinking it’s going to close some doors before they are opened."

Well, generally its a good idea not to open the door that leads to "give all your money to some kid with nothing but claims".

What you're offering is NOT competitive with what hte market is offering, look at it the other way-- the market is offering you money at %6. Why are you willing to pay %15 for it?

"our return is much, much greater than what you would get in the stock market"

Its these profoundly ignorant statements that light you up like a Christmas tree with the word "SCAMMER" over your head. The long term return from the DJIA is about %13, so your %2 extra isn't that much... plus its trivial to do even better if you spend about $100 on investing books and do a little research, and have some discipline. Now, I'm sure, %15 is much greater than *you* would get in the stock market, but as you have admitte,d you're a gambler.

The problem is, you are irresponsible when you gamble with other people's money, and when you guarantee a return, you're committing fraud.... cause there is no way you can give that return, and your claim of a guarantee is backed up with nothing.

A claim is not a guarantee. You're full of claims, but no evidence and no reason to believe you.

Yeah, asking these tough questions is just proof that we're not "serious investors".