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Internet Marketing, Ninja Style

written by Michael Kwan on January 9, 2008

How one lazy bum made $176,697.50

Subscribing to all sorts of internet marketing blogs can only get you so far. By and large, most of these blogs cover basic information, rather than getting into the highly advanced nitty-gritty of true internet marketing. As you can probably imagine, it gets pretty complex and remarkably difficult to understand. So, what is a lowly marketer to do? Ask a ninja, of course. No, not this ninja. We’re talking about the Internet Marketing Ninjas who ordered up this review. And these ninjas definitely know their stuff.

Meet the Internet Marketing Ninjas

Reputation is everything. You could be a perennial expert in search engine optimization, but if no one knows who you are, then you might as well be yelling into a brick wall. I’m sure you’ve come across plenty of Internet marketing sites run by virtual nobodies, claiming that they have unlocked the secrets of the web and they’re willing to share these with you (for a small fee, of course). This is not the case with Internet Marketing Ninjas. These guys know their stuff, and we know them.

Internet Marketing Ninjas is comprised of “over a dozen of the top industry experts” and they’re more than prepared to help you learn “about every aspect of Internet marketing, from affiliate marketing to link building to social media strategies.”

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Pictured above are Aaron Wall of SEO Book, Neil Patel of Pronet Advertising (and Quick Sprout), and Jeremy Shoemaker of Shoemoney. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. The online shinobi also include guys like Bill Slawski, Jim Gilbert, Lee Odden, and more.

What Would A Ninja Do?

Reading through the blogs of Internet marketers is useful, of course, but that’s a lot of text to digest and a lot of archives to browse. When you sign up with Internet Marketing Ninjas, you gain access to a library of Internet marketing training videos and SEO tools. You can get a preview of some of these videos through the main page, but it’s only after you get membership that you can truly appreciate the power of these web-savvy ninjas.

For example, Andy Beal has three videos in the collection, providing over an hour of instruction about keyword selection, the long tail, latent semantic indexing, paid reviews, and so on. You can hit up his preview page to get a snippet of these videos.

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The embedded player functions in much the same way as Google Video or YouTube. It was a little confusing at first, though, because all I saw was a big black block. I waited for a bit, thinking that the page was still loading, but nothing happened. Then, I inadvertently hovered my mouse over the black box and the playback controls emerged near the bottom. It works, but I would have liked if the media controls were immediately visible.

For Serious Marketers Only

With so many big names involved in this project, it’s obvious that Internet Marketing Ninjas offers a highly attractive package. You’re learning from the world’s best Internet marketers and they’re letting you in on what led to their success. Beyond the instructional videos, you also get a healthy complement of SEO tools — though they don’t say exactly what these are — to help improve your search engine rankings.

Sounds great, right? Well, Internet Marketing Ninjas isn’t for noobies, nor is it for anyone on a tight budget. Clicking the “order now” button, I was hit by this:

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No, that’s not a typo. A one-year membership with Internet Marketing Ninjas costs nearly $3,000. That’s not a lifetime membership and (I think) you can’t download the videos for later viewing. All the videos are streamed from the site. I’d expect that more videos will be added as the site matures, so that’s why you’d want to keep your membership active… but don’t worry, the membership is on auto-renew.

Oh, and before you get any funny ideas, read this part of the terms and conditions

Individuals that are in any way associated with, employed by, agents of, working for, or affiliated with Internet search engines or search engine-affiliated organizations may not register to use this site, and may not use, view, or otherwise take advantage of any information provided to members of this site, including videos, tools, or any other material provided to members.

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Non-Ninjas Need Not Apply

The Internet Marketing Ninjas landing page is pretty plain. There really aren’t any “sections” for you to enjoy other than the bios and their accompanying preview videos. That said, I appreciate this design over the more conventional one-page sales letters that we usually see. I guess these ninjas know what they’re doing.

And they’d better know what they’re doing if they plan on charging nearly three grand every year.

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Sure it costs a lot, but I think it's probably worth the money if you're serious. They're some of the best marketers and I'd feel comfortable giving them the money.

these guys should take their package and shove it up their ass. who is going to pay 3k. I bet they have a membership of zero.

"These guys" are pretty top notch. Do you know who you're talking about?

i felt sorry for the guys because of there faulty html template.
just send them a corrected one.
i don't think they will answer :grin:

I think this is great! the $3K tells me that I can expect quality and already tested solutions!
And, when the price is at this level TMN knows they're handling with serious people. Because you're not infesting these kind of money without putting effort to it!

But, I understand $3K is more money to some of you! That's because the economy is a little different from country to country...

$250 is not even a days work here in Northern Europe! And that's what it cost a month....

And, I don't think anyone of us can say it's not worth the money before we've tried it!!

I have money to invest this is the right way to start online buisness.

Thanks for sharing this... :smile:

This is something, i don't actually need but if i was new to internet marketing it could be a consideration.

Looking at a few of the previews they look interesting, although for $3000 for a years membership it questions is this service really worth it? When a newbie could spend less and pick up this information watching the previews, researching the stuff mentioned on the categories and reading forums.

If you are running a fairly large company, want to establish an online presence and need to train your staff, I'd day that the $3k would be money well spent.

Alan Johnson

hahaha...

If anyone actually buys this, contact me... I've got a bridge for sale...

I won't have any way of knowing for sure but I'd bet they get quite a few buyers.

quite expensive for noobs but worth the investment i guess.. but one thing is certain.. there's no shortcut to success nor expedite it and.. everything still depends with the student knowing that these mentors are topnotch.

but sometimes, it's nice to learn things the way we wanted it..some things are learned the hardway..and thr might be tricks along the way that these guys haven't encountered yet.. who knows? one thing is certain, things in the web moves so fast and what they might be teach'n us is just an iota of what a blogger or an entrepreneur needs to know. as one guy highlighted, basics are can be found in the internet.. just mix and match because that's the only way you can go there.. and investment plays a big part to drive traffic.. if you want to get the traffic.. and the mileage.. invest!..

Still, there are no "secrets" to be had. It's the belief in these things (super secret SEO handshake) that make people willing to pay through the nose for information that is freely available on-line. And I guarantee you, every single piece of advice they offer is freely available elsewhere.

At best, their info will save you time on research, which isn't insignificant. Figure if you have a basic grownup job in North America you've got to be earning at least $3,000 a month. (the value of your time). If their service saves you a month or two of trial and error then it's money well-spent.

Just make sure you're buying it because it saves you time (very important) not because you believe in SEO fairies and magical PageRank elves.

Also, the Terms of Service are a joke - deliberately written to encourage the "super secret" mentality. They aren't allowed to ban employees of Google nor do they have any recourse if one did. It's not legally enforceable.

Um, why exactly do you think you can't ban whomever they please? Last I checked you can deny service to anyone you want.

It may be something they've decided to do for marketing purposes, the possibility can't be ruled out, but it is their right to be selective when it comes to their customers.

Alan Johnson

People just pay for the course since that it is useful and if they learn something from it. Anyway i will be having a free review contest, anyone who is interested can visit my blog http://celhub.blogspot.com

People pay for a certain course or any kind of product, for that matter, if they believe that it can be useful, there is no way of being 100% certain. In this case, given the fact that these people have been around the block for quite a while, there will definitely be demand for the $3k membership, even if it doesn't seem that way.

Alan Johnson

Price is not expensive..I went to PPC Seminar last Nov. and Super Affiliators have 3-6month mentor program which cost around $2k-$3k, just amazed people line up to pay $3k on spot and people asking to increase member # so they could get in..Very Quick $200k income. People is willing to pay up if you can come up with nice Sales pitch.

That is why I am thinking about taking all the knowledge in my head and putting something out there like this. If I get one person to pay $3K, I will be set.

Sure, if you are a successful entrepreneur, as is the case with the people behind this project, people are always willing to pay for your advice and hope that it can help them make the fee pay for itself.

Alan Johnson

My 2 cents: with "guru-style" products which promise to teach you how to get rich overnight, the people behind them are just making false claims and promises. In other words, they're simply pretending to be what they're not.

In this case, you have people such as Jeremy (who is earning over $1m per month from affiliate marketing), Neil Patel, Andy Beal or Aaron Wall who are definitely the real thing. This can tell you a lot about the quality of the product.

It is clearly not something entry-level, if you will, but just because it is expensive doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Alan Johnson

This review is worth $450 as internet marketing ninjas are going to make that money back for sure. Just one signup and they get return on investment as well.
I do beleive that cost of membership is high but imagine searching the net for all those tips and tricks and spending not hours but days and days. If you just spend one month full time searching for information etc it will more than your 250man hours. If your time is for example just worth $12 per hour you will have spent $3000 any way.

That's another good way to look at it. Even if all this information were available elsewhere, how much time would you spend finding it, gathering it, and reading it? Then consider what your time is worth and you'll probably be pretty close to the $3k that the program costs. Also in this, consider the time you'll save by using all of these tools.

experience counts... tips and tricks are useless without the whole process intact in your head.. thats one thing im sure off..

as an example.. bpo's are fun of rapid advancement.. but maturity coupled with experience in handling people and team really counts..

For crying out loud after reading most of these comments its no wonder John has such a loyal following... half of you are idiots!

Look, the people involved in these videos are all experts at what they do. You saw Neil's profile here with the black AmEx card, you know that Shoe rakes it in hand over fist. Aaron Wall is one of the best SEO minds there is.

Now, the $3k is a bit steep. However, just because you're too cheap to pay it, doesn't mean there won't be a ton of people that purchase it. Ever heard of a program called StomperNet? It was like $900 a month to be in that and they sold out all of their spots. This program works out to $250 a month, I can guarantee you with the people involved it will be a success.

As for the value, if you learn ONE thing that helps you increase your income by $250 a month, it will pay for itself. Plus, it includes the massive set of tools that Michael hardly mentioned.
"Beyond the instructional videos, you also get a healthy complement of SEO tools — though they don’t say exactly what these are — to help improve your search engine rankings."
I'm not sure if you wrote this review before they listed out all the tools that they provide but I can tell you that I used a few of these tools on a daily basis and now that they are no longer free, I'm considering purchasing the program just to get access to those back.

Obviously this isn't for everyone but for crying out loud, you people are attacking it like these are a bunch of snake oil salesmen. If you don't want to buy it, that's fine, don't but don't start questioning the leaders of the industry for selling their expertise.

Well, there you go, I'm sure that should stir a few people up.

Dude,
Look at the sample videos. For $3000.00 I would expect a Hollywood production. They should have a multi-million dollar budget behind this. Instead we are left with crap production that delivers re-hashed info.

I don't care about how much money they made in the past. They are now living of their past glory and attempting a money grab.

Finally, are you saying that 50% of JohnChow.com readers are idiots? I disagree with that assessment but anyone paying three grand per year for that garbage is one!

The Mad Ape

Ok, honestly, you don't believe that these guys are living off their past glory do you? Hell Shoemoney just recently built AuctionAds and sold it off! Now he's working on an MMA site that is bound to make a bundle. I'll agree with you that the production isn't the best I've ever seen but I think you're exaggerating that a bit. Plus you haven't even mentioned the access to 20+ tools. Those I can certainly vouch for (having used some of them on a daily basis while they were free to the public) and they're top notch.

you'd think that they're paying you to be so religious about shoe and whoever else is doing the videos. you must really love them. you're like their puppy. but they don't feed u. maybe u should find another master.

Lol I'm not religious at all but you better believe I value their input. Why? Because they do what they're teaching about. If all this information is already out there and everyone knows it, then why are you all still here reading John's blog?

I'm not saying that any of these people can do no wrong or that the course would be worth it for everyone. However, the tone of the comments on this post seem to suggest that these guys are hacks and that's simply not the case. You'd think with all the information they share on their blogs for free, they'd have at least earned some respect.

Do experienced marketers not know that the most successful business models in modern internet tiimes giving something away for free and use critical mass to make money in other ways (a la Google, Facebook etc.)?

$3,000 is insane, in the membrane. :lol:

Giving quality information away for free is the business model I have chosen as well but, of course, that doesn't mean that it is the only one and their decision of charging $3k yearly for their membership should be respected.

Alan Johnson

This pricing is luuuuuudicrous! They better make somebody rich!!!!

How you use the tools and information they are offering is entirely up to you, there can never be guarantees of getting rich as a result of purchasing a certain product.

Alan Johnson

That's exactly my point. A lot of times what you get out of courses like this is determined by what you put into it. If you pay $3k for something, you better believe you're going to make sure you get your $3k worth of value out of it. Hell now I might have to buy the darn package just to shut a couple of these other commenters up lol.

After reading everyone's comments, I am half tempted to buy it just to see if it is really worth it. I doubt it is, but curiosity is starting to get the best of me.

Do it Do it and give us a review after all i'm just a struggling bum!

I want to know if there is an affiliate program offering like 10% or so.

typo corrections > *outrageous... *perception (not pricing). :smile:

I also agree that is an outrages price. But pricing has a lot to do with pricing I think they assume people will think 'if they're charging that much, it must be something special' when it's probably info you could learn yourself anyway.
Nonetheless I still think they obviously would give you some very useful info but not worth $3,000.
As already stated though this isn't for newbies, they're obviously targeting already experienced marketers who are making some cash, but not quite at the 'elite' level. I think it's meant to pose as an in between market course, not for newbies but not for experts.

It all boils down to your ROI, in other words, if you end up increasing your income with over $3k for the year as a result of the tools they are putting at your disposal then you've made a good investment.

Alan Johnson

Their demographic surely does not include me. I have a million dollar idea. Any one want to come up with a competing product and call it Internet Samurai? :mrgreen:

You get several people who have made millions teaching it and you probably do have a million dollar idea. Good luck finding that though.

hahaha

Anyone who pays for this 3,000 junk should really think twice about life.

I agree with the above noter. If I had an "extra" 3 thou laying around, I don't think I would be worried about buying a program that you can't even "keep" for later use!

I wouldn't buy this product. One of the great rules of sales is risk reversal. It's easier to sell an item if you reverse the risk to the customer - eg. give them a free trial or return guarantee if they're not satisfied.

And while this product has a ten day trial, it clearly states in the terms and conditions that anyone who has had a free ten day trial may not return the product. This sets off alarm bells for me right away. What if the trial is ok, but the rest of the product is not so great? A year is a long time. Are they not confident enough in their own product that people will want to keep it once they've signed up to the full version?

I think they will do very well. They´ll have lots of subscriptions.
This is a product for big companies. For a big company 3k is nothing. With this (nice) review they are targeting the wrong audience. A small Marketing mistake. That´s all. Or maybe not. Don´t forget. They are the Internet Marketing Ninja´s. :wink:

Looks like the Ninja`s should do some research on pricing a product to the demographic in which you pitch. "Experts" hey .... X is and unknown quantity and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

Kind of an oxymoron here, If we could afford a $3,000 program, we wouldn't need it.

Completely agree.

But I guess this could be for rich people who are just getting into the internet and like to spend money.