The PageRank Ripple – PageRank is Dead!

This post was guest blogged by Jamie Harrop, a Web Entrepreneur and expert in a variety of Web authoring areas. He writes, records video blogs and conducts text and video interviews with other entrepreneurs.

Do you ever wonder what the Google War Room, the G’Plex that is, is like on a week like this? We all know Google has the ability, the means, and hell, some would even argue the desire, to cause complete chaos throughout the Internet. We ol’ bloggers don’t help much, in that we spread the word of Google’s Games at super-sonic speeds. With that said, I often wonder in a week like this whether G’Gals and G’Guys, the Google employees that is, are laughing at us or screaming at us for uncovering all their mistakes.

You see, Google have always been uptight when it comes to their algorithms, and when the word PageRank is mentioned they tend to lock down fast and do so in a swift motion to rival that of NORAD! So when the G’Plex outputs another wave of PageRank Poop, us poor bloggers have to sit here at our lonely desks with our G-Mug, G-MouseMat, G-Tshirt and G-Lava-Lamp, wondering what the hell just happened.

Well, I’m Going To Tell You What Happened

What happened this week, my fellow blogosphere blog-o-teers, was a mess. A mess in which PageRank, once affectionately know as “BackRub“, by the way, shone its true light. A light that shone so dim it almost appeared as if it was caught in the 90’s.

Well you know what? PageRank is caught in the 90’s, and that’s why I’m going to go out on a limb and claim PageRank… stuff it… BackRub, to be dead. Dead as a Dodo. Dead as an Alexa rating. Dead!

You see, last week we saw the usual quarterly update of Google’s public display of PageRank. But what we also saw was a huge wave of yellow cards for blogs. Ten minutes in the bin. A warning with a red card next. However you want to put it, a number of blogs were penalised with a drop in PageRank, apparently because they were… apparently, selling text links.

Two Problems With This

1. Google gave a yellow card to the wrong people. Last time that happened, the referee was suspended. Google penalised the likes of ProBlogger, who were not selling text links. This must have been a huge embarrassment for Google, let alone ProBlogger. Thankfully, after much uproar from the Blog-o-teers of the Blogosphere, Google realised their mistake and handed ProBlogger his correct PageRank.

2. I got penalised. So that’s not the real problem, because I didn’t get penalised. Actually, I don’t sell text links and so Google left me well alone, or so I thought. But you see, many Web sites linking to my blog were penalised (right or wrong, who knows). The effect that had on me, an innocent party in all this mess, was a drop in my PageRank. If Web sites linking to me don’t have a PageRank as high as they once did, that is going to reduce my rank. Not good, Google. You just hurt an innocent by-stander.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying it was wrong for Google to penalise those blogs who sell text links, nor am I saying it was right. What I am saying is that PageRank, BackRub, KissCheek, whatever, is not fit for today’s culture of Internet, where most sites are out there to gain a financial reward, as opposed to supplying information, and information only, as was the case in the 90’s. The fact is, PageRank is becoming unstable, to a point where innocent parties are losing rank, in return losing visitors, in return losing income, in return making me freaking homeless! (Ok, so that was extreme, but you get the idea).

I’m sorry Google, but until you stop letting mindless humans mess with an incredibly complex mathematical formula that was developed at Stanford to work by itself with no human interaction, I’m not going to be putting an ounce of trust in any PageRank valuation. You’ve royally screwed a lot of innocent people this weekend by use of a formula not built for the 21st century, and I’m not going to forgive easily.

My solution? Rid the ripple. You pour a truck load of concrete in to the pond that is causing this PageRank ripple and start over with a ranking algorithm that is purposely built for the 21st century Internet! Hell, first start with an algorithm built for the Internet. Then work your way up to the 21st century Internet. Right now, PageRank is working at one thing, and one thing only… it’s working its way to biting you in the ass!

127 thoughts on “The PageRank Ripple – PageRank is Dead!”

  1. John, I think you should stop bashing Google because they are more powerful than you are. And a successful blog cannot live without a good relationship with a big search engine.

    1. Court says:

      Um ya John didn’t write this post. Either way, John really doesn’t need Google now, so really he can do whatever he wants. His blog absolutely can live without Google. Many blogs are in a different boat, but John’s blog is one of the exceptions.

      1. Heh, I just made a post on my blog because I’ve been running less than 2 months and shot past John Chow for PageRank (I got 5) πŸ˜€

        Sadly I don’t have time to maintain it anymore, so it’s up for sale. So if you want to buy the site, John…. πŸ˜‰

      2. Justin says:

        Totally agree with Court on this one. If your famous already you don’t need a search engine to help you get more famous.

      3. aw says:

        Whether John needs Google depends on the Analytics for the referring traffic from Google. Who knows.
        Anyway, John is a great blogger, I will visit his blog often πŸ™‚

      4. Dave says:

        I think the message is that content is NOT king, abstinence from paid links is king.

        I prefer the New York Times because of its content, but from what I have heard, Google penalized the New York Times for posting paid links. I wonder if Google penalized ABC, NBC, and CBS news? Do they have anything to say about Pagerank? I should would like to hear it.

    2. Shurrup Michael – It was one helluva post. John didn’t even write it and Google already hates his ass. πŸ˜‰

      1. Although John didn’t write it, John it post it. This means that he does agree with what the articles says.

        1. Why does it mean he agrees with the post? I dont believe John restricts what his guest posters can and cannot write about. Debate is good πŸ™‚

    3. Wahlau.NET says:

      very true indeed….

    4. Bashing or not, let me bash it again. So practically from ProBloggers case what I see is that Google is NOT really after those that trick their algorithm, rather from those that make profits from their algorithm. Because if making contests to gain backlinks is not tricking the algorithm than I do not know what In the heck would be tricking.

      Things are much more clear now, they don’t care if you trick their algorithm, they care if you are making profits and they want the control over that and keep the advertisers in their AdWords.

      You hit my pocket I will hit your brain, a pitty tho that I am much smaller than you and have to play nice if I don’t wanna get hurt….or play smart as long as you don’t catch me, thats what all this story of returning the pagerank to ProBlogger makes me think about the big (nasty) G.

    5. um problogger does sell text link ads he’s listed in TLA with text link ads sold?

    6. Reed says:

      Maybe everyone should just stop selling text links for the purpose of getting ranked higher (which is abusing the system, which is probably why this whole dilemma started in the first place) and go back to selling ad space. That seems logical to me.

      Sorry to all of the text link sellers (like textlinkads), should have thought of the implications before they got into this mess. Google’s just trying to protect their results, by making sure people aren’t cheating by buying their way to the top.

      Another lesson learned for all of you that thought you could buy your way to the top, everyone jumped in and the boat sank.

      Try to get to a life raft.

      1. relaxMax says:

        Let’s see if I can follow this.

        1. It is bad to buy your way to the top…
        2. unless you are bidding on a word in an Adsense bidding war.

        Putting it another way,

        1. It is bad to charge people money for an advertisement (link) on your successful website;
        2. It is ok to charge people money for and advertisement link on your own website as long as almost all of the money charged goes into Google’s pocket.

        Have I got that right?

  2. worknplay says:

    Well written post. I agree with your points, it just seems like google is taking this a little too far. Also the desire to attain a pagerank by everybody makes it seems like its a class system. I had written a post on google’s pagerank system which I think defines itself as a class system in the real life – rich from poor.

    Here is my link if interested

  3. vpl says:

    If pagerank is dead – then what are they using now for the rankings?

    1. Technorati
      RSS Feed readers

      1. Technorati – Fooled by link trains
        PageRank – Fooled by link swaps
        Alexa – Fooled by autobots (trust me – I’ve tested)
        RSS Feed Counts – Inaccurate, at the best of times.

        How SHOULD we rank our blogs?!?

        1. Ashish Mohta says:

          Lol David…I agree with you…..Alexa is one super algo….errr You know what I ment …

        2. Well, I don’t now then. We could use Technorati and Alexa is people stopped cheap!

        3. I’m beginning to think those PR predictor tools are better than PR itself…

        4. Wayne Liew says:

          Posting your stats details will do the charm but I guess not many will dare to do this though…

        5. That’s a good question, one I’d like to know the answer to as well!

        6. how about by visitors and comment interaction like we did in the old school days when blogging was brand new and wordpress wasn’t invented yet…

        7. Justin says:

          A system that ranks should be done by a combination of people and machines, but it should be done by humans who have a good track record. And machines that see only quality content.

  4. Hoto says:

    😈 it is a fact the google is very powerful this days. a lot of advertiser look at your pr and judge your blog just by it. i think the problem on the pr is not that google does it, the problem is that nobody really know how it works. there are no real rules you can play not to get punished. so google should tell all people how pr works so the bloggers who want to get a good pr can play by the rules.

  5. Matt says:

    Site’s actual PageRank is much more complex than just what we call PageRank. The internal PageRank of a site and pages determines where your site is in Google query results.

    PageRank is not dieing, and never will, because PageRank is the core of Google’s search engine ranking, and without it, they wouldn’t have a search engine.

    1. Dead externally, alive and kicking internally.

    2. Yeah, I am sure they will keep the PageRank. I mean, PageRank is what brought Google here in the first place.

  6. ckacey says:

    Now that’s telling it like it is. πŸ˜€ Thank You!
    My concern is that Google will learn nothing from this debacle. I am also concerned that we will forget, only to have them pull something else equally bad or worse, in the future. I hate holding my breath. It’s counter productive. πŸ˜• πŸ™„

    1. They probably don’t care!

  7. Court says:

    Jamie, this actually probably isn’t hurting your PageRank at all. This penalty is only a visible PageRank penalty, which means that pages still rank like they did before the penalty. This slapping was all about lowering the perceived rank of pages, not the rank itself. It’s pretty likely that links from penalized pages push just as much rank as ever.

  8. ONwebCHECK says:

    Oh, I see – here is someone really angry!

  9. rocker dish says:

    i just dont what to react …i mean it is a good news but many of the new bloggers wont even know what this sh***y piece of code is…….neverthe less thanks for the LEAKAGE
    maybe you can see my blog : for more…….

  10. Jon says:

    ohhhh so pagerank is officially dead now that… hold on have to scroll up to the top again. Now that Jamie Horrap has claimed so? Nothing in this post is “out on a limb” everything you said has been said again and again. The fact is you don’t know why google did what they did. and i have not read any official statements anywhere explaining it. People are just pissed that they arent getting that magical number that they want. There is no reason to have a public page rank. If google was smart they would keep it all to themseelves. It would probably lower the link buying industry if that is their goal.

  11. Ray says:

    How can a one month old blog with less than 60 backlinks ( )are getting PR5 from PR0 ? It does not make any sense at all. Can we turst Google PageRank anymore?

  12. Ashish Mohta says:

    That was a good one. Little harsh But I think Yes Google should do something about PR. I have no hatred or anything against Google but Let us think round about now.

    A small Theory:

    1.What if all the sites put no entry board for google bots. Google will not be indexing any one and nobody will get traffic

    2.So where will we get the traffic ? What if Yahoo and MSN people come out with updated algorithm and start giving preferences to blogs like google does….

    3.And we start using MSN and YPN adservices instead of adsense…..

    Ever though what an happen is what i said really happens ?

    Google should update the PR algo before they update PR for other sites.

    PS: ANybody Like it ? lol

  13. Sounds like someones Pagerank went down πŸ™‚

    Google pagerank is a secret. That means you don’t know why it rates sites the way it does. There is no evidence why blogs such as got downgraded from 6 to 4. You don’t know if it is because of selling links or another reason.

    I rated the post with 1.

  14. igizmore says:

    today’s one of the happiest day of my life , my blog’s 6 months old and i have the SAME PAGE RANK AS JOHN CHOW πŸ˜€ , i am totally lovin the new PR Algorithm 😈

  15. ben says:

    Wahaha Yeah Right Page Rank is Dead? all my blog got PR 1-3 πŸ™‚ really amazing lols..see how long this things will last

  16. Turtle says:

    Heh…I bet most Americans are wondering…what the heck is a yellow card and red card? Most Americans don’t care much or follow soccer…

  17. baloot inc says:

    hey, its true..

    my blog has pagerank 2, now it was pagerank 0.
    damn it google.. πŸ‘Ώ

    but, my brand new blog, it was a months years old..has been updated, pagerank 2. :mrgreen:

  18. Wayne Liew says:

    I guess Google is not hurting the “real ranks”. They are just lowering the PR of sites selling text links to that this can lower their chances of monetising and gaming the PR.

    Anyway, it is true that PR must not be used as a rating for sites any more. Look at the site contents, frequency of comments and maybe Yahoo Backlinks, just no more Google Page Rank.

  19. Michael Woo says:

    I think that the 3rd PR update should be final for this quarter, since new sites also have their PR updated as well

  20. Jamie Harrop says:

    First off, thanks to John for publishing this. It was nice to wake up and visit his site, only to see my name slapped over it. πŸ˜†

    Anyway, I would like to say something. This article was meant to be a little dig at Google, and it was meant to divide opinion from the readers. It’s clear some people don’t agree with me and think it was just a post made out of a fit of rage, and others are thankful for somebody saying how it really is.

    That’s the response I was expecting, and that’s the response I was hoping for.

    For what it’s worth, I’m actually very fond of Google as a whole. I use many of their services and they are a fantastic company in my opinion. However, this week I just don’t agree with how Google was able to create complete havoc among the whole Internet from a system that seems to be collapsing under the strain of the modern Internet.

    Well, that’s the reasoning behind the post explained. Now time to see if John is interested in me becoming a regular guest blogger. How about, John? :mrgreen:

  21. Life has been going on and I am sure that it will continue to. What really surprises me is, that despite all the noise, Google have not said anything at all. For a company that generates intense feelings in the IT community, such silence is counterproductive. Poor PR. (Public Relations, I mean!)

  22. Etienne Teo says:

    with or without pagerank, traffic is still the base of everything, you can be a 1 month old blog, but with no traffic like john, there is no way you can make it big..1 month old blog with 100 visitor a day selling $500/mth advertising spot? You must be pagerank is just a status you should be glad google gave, anyway i think john don’t really have to care much about pagerank.

    His 2 other powerful ranking can also help him, technorati and alexa ranking, while many says its useless, but a money blog will never give up on any opportunities that shows us money. :mrgreen:

  23. Yeah, thats why I dont care about PR anymore. PR is nothing but a number and google doesnt count it in the SERPS

  24. My Blog ended up with a PR2 and one of my affiliate URLs with about 7 nofollowed back links ends up a 3. Makes no sense to me.

  25. Domtan says:

    Perhaps, back to the days of basing a site’s “rank” on its page views and unique visitors. Or maybe not. But PageRank isn’t dead. It’s what Google thrives on.

  26. I think its all sour grapes people bashing Page Rank. PR is here to stay like it or not. People gaming the system is the problem not PR. Check out my related post for more of my thoughts on how you can avoid a PR hit in the future.

  27. Clement says:

    PageRank for the 21st Century?? What must it include?If you were in Google’s shoes, what would you do?

  28. Roberta says:

    Those who say pagerank is dead, say that because theirs sucks.

    Just sayin.

    1. Jamie Harrop says:

      πŸ˜† That’s a nice way to look at it, Roberta. Unfortunately for your theory, my PageRank range from 4 to 6, and I’m very happy with that.

      Of course, if my theory of PageRank being dead is to be believed, I shouldn’t really care what my PageRank value is, because it’s worthless to me. πŸ™‚

      1. Roberta says:

        Pagerank is not dead. I’m calling BS on this whole post.

        1. Jamie Harrop says:

          Come on Roberta, see the humorous side.

          The post was meant to speak for all those people out there recently who have been frustrated with PageRank, especially those innocent people, like myself, who were affected. We all know it isn’t Dead. We all know Google still use it. The post was intended to inject a little humour in to this whole PageRank debate over the last week, while expressing my opinion in that I believe PageRank should be dead in favour of an updated ranking algorithm. Most people saw that humour, but it seems you didn’t.

          C’mon, you don’t actually think I meant Google had dropped PageRank when I said it was dead, did you? πŸ˜†

          1. Roberta says:

            Jamie, No, I didn’t actually think Google dropped pagerank when you said it was dead. I’m not naive or stupid. The grammatical errors in your post caused me to skim it. Apparently, you may not take stock in the fact that some of the readers of this site have some intelligence.

            Why would John Chow allow just anyone to guest post? I mean really.

          2. Jamie Harrop says:

            I’m sorry Roberta, I’m not going to debate off-topic. 99% of people enjoyed the post, as I presume John did when he read it. Unfortunately, but as I expected, some didn’t like it. All I can do is apologise. I’m sorry it wasn’t to your taste.

            If you would like to discuss anything further off-topic, as opposed to surrounding the PageRank debate, please get in touch with me via email. I’ll be happy to chat via email or over the phone. πŸ™‚

      2. I second that πŸ‘Ώ

  29. Ankit says:

    Pagerank is dead. Period.. 😈
    Pagerank is more dead than a rotting corpse, more dead than any teenager in Friday the 13th and more dead than those zombies in Resident Evil.

    Does Toolbar Pagerank decide your search engine rankings? If this was true, then Engadget, Forbes would have seen at least 20-30% traffic drop by now. None of the sites which have their PR decreased have reported their rankings being dropped.

    Will Google devaluate the link passing ability of websites with lower pagerank? Again if this happens then it will be Google itself who is going to suffer in the long run, because we all know Google’s alogorithm is solely dependent on backlinks. And punishing authority or strong sites, means gaming its own algorithm which I doubt Google will do.

    And third for readers. How is this Pagerank important? Engadget has a Pagerank of 5 and Gizmodo has a Pagerank of 7 or 8 (Sorry I don`t have Toolbar installed). Does this means for a reader Gizmodo is way ahead of Engadget. I am sure this is something even the Gizmodo editors won`t agree to.

    So the Pagerank is rendered useless for all three; webmasters, advertisers and readers. I would suggest people who still follow pagerank to please see the right picture, and move on.

  30. Links from penalized sites should have less weight than before. If links from other sites are based (from Google point of view) on PR then obviously it effect the linked sites as well… but this is correct!

    1. Poker Sharks says:


      If your page rank was based on sites linking to you because you paid them then its only right your page rnak goes down. get decent sites to link to you and it will go back up.

      “innocent bystander”

      Umm no you weren’t, you paid people to link to you, that is what google has clamped down on…correctly IMO.

      This post is too emotional and has a bad taste of bitterness thorughout and tries to speak on the behalf of every blogger. Problem is, we dont all agree with you.

      1. Jamie Harrop says:

        Hi Poker.

        Well, there’s the problem. I have never paid for a link other than a sponsored post on Jane May’s blog. Paying for a sponsored post should hardly result in a reduce in PageRank, surely? I could be wrong, but I honestly can’t see Google reducing PageRank for a Web site because of one review. Like I say, maybe I’m wrong and that’s the reason my PageRank was reduced. To be honest, it doesn’t matter. The reduction in PageRank has no impact on my business. A reduce in PageRank does have an impact for others though.

        I know everybody doesn’t agree with my point of view. If everybody did agree, this post would have been pointless. πŸ™‚

  31. Nix says:

    Pagerank is crap !!
    Its true that in this PR update many innocent webmasters have been pissed !!

    Google is earning billions so now Larry and Bin don’t worry about small innocent webmasters who earn their living from their website..
    They forgot that once they were also small .

    Have u ever thought that if all webmasters restrict googlebot to spider their site then google’s database will be 0.

    If we are earning due to google then google is also earning due to webmasters only.

    Everything that rises do have to fall and one day same will happen with Google.

  32. Have you noticed the ones claiming PageRank is dead are the same webmasters who were recently downgraded by the PageRank update? lol 😎

    1. I also have been noticing this trend. πŸ˜†

    2. goldfries says:

      and they’ll probably promote PR again once they got their level back.

  33. Shaun Carter says:

    I think Google is beginning to get too big and controlling for its own motto of “do no evil” to be anything more than a joke. They quite literally control the flow of information on the Internet and are only getting stronger by the day.

    But unfortunately this PR update is not only affecting blogs that Google wanted to punish (those selling TLA’s) but it has also punished blogs that don’t sell links by devaluing any incoming links they have from blogs that do sell links. I think this is what happened at ProBlogger.

    I think Google bit off more than they can chew this time. Policing the Internet for paid links will prove to be a very time consuming and expensive process.

  34. Laura says:

    Why is selling links such a bad thing in the first place? How is it different then selling a banner or other adspot? I don’t think I want Google telling me how to run my blog. Pagerank or no pagerank.

    1. Shaun Carter says:

      Google doesn’t have a problem with selling links… as long as you use the don’t follow tag so that SE ranking is not passed on. The fact is, most link buyers were doing it to increase search engine ranking – and that is what Google wants to penalize.

      1. Laura says:

        But the ads and banners don’t use the don’t follow tags. They are basically just a picture link. I don’t get why Google finds one type of linkage acceptable and the other is not.

  35. msolution says:

    An over obsession of PageRank has made google “FEEL” this invincible! And now as people do stop giving it credit, i’m sure Google will have to cough up a new algorithm! period.

  36. Aibek says:

    WellGuyz, dont know about you, but my blog actually went from PR 5 to 6. I am not really a pro in this whole PR issue so can’t really express my thoughts on it.

    1. Roberta says:

      Great blog, Aibek, it’s very professional looking and the ads aren’t intrusive. UBD outdone themselves on the look of that one πŸ™‚

      1. Aibek says:

        Thanks a lot, UBD did a great job. We spent almost a month on changing things. But at the end I got exactly what i had in mind. πŸ™‚

  37. Mine went from 5 to 2, I’m a little miffed, I work hard!

  38. Bujes says:

    Google PageRank is not dead and it won’t be dead soon. PR will die when people stop talking about it. But at the moment it is still useful tool.

    1. Ankit says:

      Yes, yes Google Pagerank is extremely useful, isn’t it?
      As useful as Altavista today.

  39. Eric L. says:

    Google is losing a lot of goodwill over all that it is doing trying to police the Internet and dictating what people can and cannot do. 😐

    1. Wayne Liew says:

      I guess it is does that worship Google that made them so notorious.

  40. uttoransen says:

    i got a page rank rise for some of my sites! πŸ˜› so am happy!
    but then i do agree that page rank is no more a value of quality, as new sites have nice pr and the old and established sites are not having enough PR!

  41. DirSP says:

    This is nothing about penalizing link selling. It is a complete change of algorithm where old sites don’t get the premium PR over new sites. It is absolutely unfair to the new site in all those days before this update. Think of it as the richs get richer and the poors get poorer as before and now it is a free for all game.

    So what does this mean? All the new websites with high quality content get a crack at kicking all those old and lazy (jk) sites off the rank.

    Why this work? All the old sites have high ranking and they are most likely be the sites that are selling text links so a complete dump of the old sites premium algorithm would solve a lot of link selling problems and not to mention the FUD.

  42. DirSP says:

    Not to mention the fact that most old sites don’t use adsense anymore but the new websites will most likely go with adsense because they don’t know where to look for advertisers. Overall it helps Google’s revenue.

  43. NIck says:

    Google, though powerful and becoming an evil internet monopoly, tries to assert itself as the big bad wolf who comes to blow the little blogs house down, but Google doesn’t know that wolf doesn’t always win.

    Click for Nick – "Writing Good Blog

  44. Nelson says:

    Well, the Google Toolbar pagerank might be dead, and I agree with that, I got pagerank 4 for my 2 months old blog, and traffic has not changed whatsoever, but it I noticed during these two months that as my blog was getting more quality links from other sites my posts were ranking better on google SERPS. to say that pagerank is dead, is not a true statement, saying the toolbar pagerank is dead is better, I never read anywhere google used the toolbar pagerank to grade site’s importance, they probably just do that to muse webmasters, but the true pagerank algo which is to have quality links pointing to your site is still at google’s search core. lucky for SEO Pros they still got business to do 😈

  45. Yup, I am beginning to really doubt the good old PageRank that used to work for everyone. Now, it’s just a big messy algorithm noone wants to use. I am turning to Yahoo unless Google quickly fixes it.

  46. N/A says:

    Ok, I’m was an avid reader of this blog..that is a year ago. The only thing John Chow, and his ‘Mafia’ do is complain if you don’t get your way. You know what? The world is tough and so is the internet. You also know what? The most successful people in this world adapt to change. Obviously most of you ‘probloggers’ or ‘wannabe probloggers’ are getting too butt hurt over this last page rank. The amount of time you losers spend complaining could be used to research on how you could improve your PR by next update.

    “Right now, PageRank is working at one thing, and one thing only… it’s working its way to biting you in the ass!”

    It’s only biting you in the ass if you want to look at it that way. Keep complaining and the winner is Google. Fight it and figure out a way to beat the algorithm, then you become the winner. The ones that stay on top are the ones that adapt the quickest.

  47. Laura says:

    As long as advertisers continue to place importance on pagerank, it will not be dead. And until there is another accurate way to measure a website’s success, then advertisers will continue to look at pagerank and Alexa rank, regardless of how flawed they are.

  48. Annonymous says:

    I dont think you guys are really ‘getting’ the update.

    Google doesnt have to care what bloggers feel – they care about accurate search. If you have a load of links on your website that have absolutely no purpose bar promoting someone elses website – then the links dont hold value to your topic and hence lend it more credibility/validity.

    I understand that you have to make money and hence sell links, ads etc – but you should make the links/ads similar to your topic.

    Using PageRank to guage how much you should charge to advertise on your site is not what it is for – whether it is used that way or not.

  49. goldfries says:

    Funny how a level drop in PR and PR followers start to claim stuff like PR being dead or useless and whatever rants.

    How about putting the blame on the 101 other sites that contributed to the PR? πŸ™‚

  50. Jw Bobbink says:

    Luckily you can live on your RSS visitors :mrgreen:

  51. Irwin says:

    John, my blog PR went down as well and I guess we are at par now in terms of PR not in terms of content πŸ™‚

  52. I feel so much better knowing that there are others that are much worse grammatically than me. That was a tough read. If Google gave you a PR 10 you would all be singing its praises. This “We don’t need Google” BS is almost comical. And yes John does edit post. I have had mine edited twice. The line “John, you should try thanking your readers every once in a while instead of showing them how much money you make off them”

  53. GettyCash says:

    My GettyCash blog went up from PR0 to PR3 and another blog went down from PR3 to PR1. πŸ˜•

  54. Dandruff says:

    Has this whole google page rank issue affected only blogs or even normal websites which are selling text links ??

  55. Boris says:

    I don’t know about dead… But it sure did make a heart or two pause for a moment!

  56. goldfries says:

    Yeah. I went from PR0 to PR3 too. πŸ™‚ My company site on the other hand went from PR1 to PR2.

  57. Biju says:

    I wonder why this sudden changes happening into PR??? If it changes this lot, what is its relevance??

  58. I think wallstreetfighter has a point here! First we have to understand how this new ranking system works, the reasons for Google to give it the green light an so on, before we jump to major conclusions.

  59. Great work and also we expect such a presentation from and expert. Thank you.

  60. NonDickRider says:

    This blog is just full of idiots and John-Chow dick riders. It’s quite pathetic.

  61. Ranking of a site needs to be determined by internet users not by other site. Of course, that will have it’s own issues, but at least it’s a step in the right direction.

  62. Lincoln says:

    I wish Google would stop publicly disclosing the PageRank of sites altogether. My blog’s return of investment should be based on my traffic and readership, not some stupid green bar. πŸ™„ πŸ˜›

  63. danielctw says:

    page rank is their standard. Unless of coz if yahoo comes up an equivalent of something like tat!

  64. Lizzie says:

    I wasn’t going to comment because this post is so old, but…

    Those who would correct someone else’s grammar should themselves be error free.

  65. Goldmoney says:

    Well interesting point you have here. I also don’t know how PageRank works, but my blog got PageRank 2, I am very happy with that and all I can say John Chow welcome to my world πŸ˜‰

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  67. m07 says:

    i am on your side.totally agree with you.

  68. PC user says:

    Well, actually the things that Google does will get only better and better and the selling links penalty is just the tip of the iceberg. You don’t have to do that to be penalized or your PR lowered. You just have to overload your website with poor content or building links from some scrapp software – and that will do. What really matters here is the authority of your site and the quality of your backlinks. And Google is getting better at both.

      1. PC user says:

        Sorry, I accidentally pressed my keyboard. Just ignore the mess I have written.

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