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What I learned From The Top Affiliate Challenge

written by John Chow on July 16, 2008

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Now that the Top Affiliate Challenge is over and the NDA has expired, I can give my views and thoughts on the two week competition that pitted affiliate marketers against each other. In no particular order, these are the observations I came up with.

TAC Is Not About Affiliate Marketing

The Top Affiliate Challenge is more about who can call in the most favors than it is about affiliate marketing. The show format pretty much prevent you from doing any true affiliate marketing. Instead of doing affiliate marketing from start to finish (testing out offers, making adjustments, etc), the winning teams merely transfer offers from their personal accounts to the team accounts. This created another problem.

You Can Buy The Win

The Top Affiliate Challenge is not a leveled playing field. The show heavily favors the contestant with experience and money to throw around. A contestant like Jon Ryan, who has no affiliate marketing experience or money to throw at the game, didn’t stand a chance. It doesn’t surprise me in the least that the winner of the game was also the person who spent the most money.

When I signed up as a TAC Guru, I was under the impression that each team would be given a budget and list of offers to work with. The team that made the most money with their budget would win. That was not the case. Instead, the rule was simply to make as much money possible using whatever means possible. That included using your own money to fund your offers. That to me was just plain stupid.

If TAC wishes to have a season 2, they will need to find a way to prevent the buying of a win. I wonder how many contestants would have audition for the show if they had known that they would need to put their own money into the show in order to have a chance at winning it?

The Show Was a Money Grab

From the first day, TAC seem like a money grab for the producers. The winner of the show got half the money generated from total affiliate commissions. The other half went to the producers. Team rankings were based on gross income only. Sure, it sounded great that Jonathan Van Clute was posting as much as $3,000 of affiliate income in a single day. However, he had to spend $2,000 to do that. Half the $3,000 went to the prize pool so Van Clute only got $1,500 back if he wins. Net result, he lost money. I was told Van Clute spent $26,000 of his own money to win the TAC. For that victory, he took home $19K, which was half the cash pool (he also got a two year car lease and a ring). The big winners were the owners of the show.

During the single two-day challenge where each of the remaining 8 contestants work by themselves, they were also asked to continue making income for the team. The six contestants with the highest earnings moved on. The last two were eliminated. Team results had no effect on who stays or who goes. Yet, the contestants were asked to continue to make money as a team. That made no sense to me. Why make money as a team when elimination was based on individual performance? Collin LaHay, who was on my team, won the two-day challenge with over $1,600 in earnings. As a team, we produced zero. Team Pepperjam Network brought in over $5,000, which did nothing but added $2,500 to the producers’ pocket.

The Editing Team Sucks

If you’ve watched any of the episodes, you’ll no doubt notice the really bad editing. Things did improved as the show went on but there were still many mistakes being made. No doubt, many of the errors were caused by trying to produce a show on a 24 hour turnaround. That’s a really short time frame when you are using out dated tapes, instead of hard drive based videos, to do your show.

The Show Made Up The Rules As They Went Along

In the first episode, Monica stated that Gurus could not be eliminated from the show. However, by episode nine, I was eliminated for “losing too much.” In the confessional, the producer told me they kept a tally sheet on Guru wins and losses and that a Guru that lost too much would be eliminated. I don’t believe that for one second. I was told a week before the show started that the finals would be three contestants with the three Gurus. The show wrote me off because I was gaming their rules (or lack of rules) and basically making life a living hell for them.

Jonathan Van Clute Is a Really Nice Guy

The winner of the TAC, Jonathan Van Clute, is a super nice guy. I had a master plan in place to destroy him in the finals. You see, the winner of the Top Affiliate Challenge is not the person or team that produce the most income over the two week period. The winner is the person who produced the most income in the final challenge.

I devised an evil plan to take Collin LeHay to the final challenge against who we assume would be Jonathan Van Clute. We would coast through the competition and let the other team build up the prize pool without adding to it ourselves. Then we would win it all in the final challenge with the help of Paul from UberAffiliate.com. We knew the most Van Clute can produce is maybe $4,000 per day. That’s a lot of money but it’s not at the same level as the Uber one. Paul was ready to transfer up to $10,000 of campaigns over to our account. That would be more than enough to win. After paying Paul back his $10K, we would still make a nice profit thanks to Team Pepperjam’s building of the prize pool.

At the end of the day, Collin and I just didn’t have the heart to pull the trigger on the master plan. Jonathan Van Clute is one of the most amazing person I have ever met. He is completely open and willing to share his knowledge. He showed me how he got his traffic, how he runs his offers and a bunch of other secret stuff. After being so open with me and sharing so much, I would have felt really bad to blind side him in the finals.

Jonathan Van Clute invested the most in the Top Affiliate Challenge. He deserves the win.

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nice post....live without challenge like soup with no salt

Oh, very nice post. It resume the full experience!

I bet the won't be a Top Affiliate Challenge next year.

I bet their will be something similar and better.

The whole show reminded me of Joel Comm's the next internet Millionaire which was actually pretty good, and well made.

People do 18 hours a day? For me I would stop being productive after 3 hours

I say congrats to Jonathan, he is a nice a guy and had the most skills by far. How he got his traffic doesn't really matter, he did the work and got the reward, so good for him. He is right too, you cannot buy that kind of exposure and it will only help him in the future. So congrats to him!

As for the show, it's got potential but they really need to work on the rules and structure a bit. Do some planning. Give each team $2,000 and give them a list of offers to promote. The team who makes the most net profit wins and keeps all the earnings. One thing to be learned is there is no such thing as bad publicity. Look at all the haters talking about it... :)

Spot on!

Although I would comment that the producers shouldn't have partaken in the pool of money. Why did they do that? Are they that money hungry?

I would agree with you 100%. I love them showing the gross profits, but yet we all knew there had to be some losses somewhere.
Also I work at a hotel, own a video camera and live in montana, we should shoot the next one here....lol!

Johnathan appears to have worked hard for his winning, I mean not many people are willing to do 18 hour days anymore.

John Chow (from IM chat to Carl Zetterlund)
"OK, I would have blind side him. It was Collin that wimped out!"

So if Carl is to be believed, all you said in this post about 'not having the heart to pull the trigger on your evil plan' is total BS.

Caught lying to your readers Mr Chow!

Wow john chow you seem to have a lot of haters

I'm not a hater I just like to see for once, some one that has a high profile status give back part of what they earn from their users. I actually like johns blog.

Uh, doesn't JC already give the all proceeds of this blog to charity anyway?

I guess holding contests and matching reader donations 2 to 1 for charity doesn't count as giving back.

I suppose you could count that as giving back but it's not big enough. Yeah, you would never make any money if you gave all you cash away all the time. But I bet you you'd make a hell of a lot of noise and get some new readers if you made a post along these lines.

"John Chow's $30,000 One Month Giveaway!"
Here's how you can win... blah blah blah etc....

The charity preaching is getting really old. You're not up in John's personal business, so how do you know he's not giving money away all the time? He doesn't have to say jack about it.

The charity preaching is getting pretty old? Hey I've never talked about before now and I don't read every single comment section like you probably do. Maybe that's why it's bugging you. Why should it bug you anyway it's not your money either.

Yeah sure I may not know he's giving away stuff on the side that he doesn't talk about.

If you really want to know what I think I hate money, but that's the world we live in and you can't do jack without it.
One day the world isn't going to be like this, just you wait and see.

Success attracts the fans and the jealous. There is a dark side to fame in any business.

yea i think John Van Clute deserved to win and he is a nice guy, i learnt a lot from him working one on one with him and that was worth being on the show and coming in third place..

WIll there be a second season? who knows, maybe, i heard that they may be doing it in Orlando with Market Leverage as a major sponsor who will give them their studios and camera crew..

Jani G

Agree.

And I don't understand how they're going to pull off season 2 after the poor ratings.

Stanley

John,
You wouldn't have learned anything if you participate again after all the bitching and moaning you did.
The Web was never a level playing field anyways. One who learn to grab the most, the fastest, makes it.
You should know!
Chris

He's not the only one who had something to say about it in this sense. Even people that watched it thought it was unorganized. There is something seriously wrong when even those who were on the show had something bad to say about it.

The little affiliate tactic used by Jonathan Volk is adware advertising.. Basically he bids on keywords or URLs and when someone who is infected with a specific adware (zango) visits that page or searches that keyword in google, a popup appears with his ad.

So if you're unscrupulous and immoral, this is something you could consider doing.

Why are the accusatory commentators rarely willing to leave their name and link?

because I don't have a blog? And there seems to be a bug as I did fill in my name...

But it is adware, that is what the course Jonathan is in is all about. So nothing accusatory about this. Plain telling the truth as it is.

You could add your name to the bottom of your reply. I've seen others do it.

I am waiting for it to be broadcast on TV :)

I'd still say that it was a good experience with something different to see in the affiliate world. Thanks for the full scoop on the show. I didn't realize all that was going on.

see yah at the summit

I'm glad your first hand experience with the show gave you insight into a process that I had a distaste for from the beginning. Thor Schrock is a scumbag and the show was money pit. Johnathan Van Clute didn't lose anything though, I'm sure this will help him continue to rape his customers for his tools and training. I just thought business savvy people like yourself and Shoe would know this within one minute of meeting Thor. I commend you for continually making $0 while you were there, it's BS that they kicked you off when you stopped making them money. You and Shoe were the only reason any body watched and by the show end neither of you were on it. Ken McArthur is just blow hard, and Wes "So Far As" Wyatt needs to pull his lips off Ken's sack.

Rape my customers?? Wow that's funny, judging by how many of them have made a lot more money by using my tools and getting my help, I guess they must enjoy that experience. To each their own I suppose!

Jonathan

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www.LPGen.com

Well, the producers were worried about the size of the pot.
But John you are not a PPC operator so how would you have been a guru?

Jonathan Van clute, why would you invest so much in a contest? The risk/reward ratio is stupifyingly high, what if you lost it all?

LOL

I hear things like this and I usually know I'm talking to someone who hasn't taken very many big chances and reaped big rewards. I saw this as extremely low risk given what I knew I was capable of. Of course that assumed the rules were going to be reasonably fixed, which of course they weren't.

I knew by day 3 that it had been completely worth it. If I had lost it all in the end, and walked away with $30k in new debt, it would have been a bummer, but again... I made connections that I couldn't have bought for that much money. STILL would have been worth it. But the question of losing by virtue of my LEGITIMATE affiliate marketing efforts, never entered my mind. It was clear to me from early on that there wasn't really anyone who could touch my results given the nature of the timeframes we had to work within. I was the only one there who knew how to get cheap traffic at the flip of a switch. If I had to face the same group next year with the same timeframe... I suspect things would be very, VERY different. ;)

Incidentally, if anyone actually thinks the producers made a profit on this, I think you could use a quick refresher in economic math. They had a joint venture with the video production company. This means that the producers themselves keep only half of HALF of the total pot. So say it ends up being $50k... they get $12.5k and that's it. For months of work and a couple of weeks of their entire lives being turned upside down. Does anyone actually think that's somehow a profitable venture? They had paid employees there that they had to pay every day, not to mention themselves and all the other costs. Yes they got a lot of stuff comped (like the hotel rooms for us all) but still, they did not by any stretch actually come away with a profit. This was an investment by them, just as it was by me, in something bigger, later. I suspect that this will prove to have been a very smart investment on their part. I know it was on my part!

Jonathan

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www.ToolTrainer.com
www.LPGen.com

All I can say is the show was a big dud. I didn't learn anything that could help benefit my money making opportunities. I honestly only tuned in to see what problems Chow was going to cause that day. Many of us make good money online and have never used PPC. Learning more techniques that did not include PPC would have been nice but almost impossible on a show with such short campaigns.

I think the best part of the show for everyone on it was the exposure. Like van Clute stated, you can't buy that kind of exposure. Kudo's to all of the guru's and contestants and a small kudo to the producers for at least giving it a shot. Maybe this will springboard into a much better challenge in the future.

With that last paragraph it kind of wipes away that John chow is evil stigma. I'd been only half keeping the TAC thing on the radar but the past few days I've been catching up on things. Thanks for your assessment of the show and the competition.

I think it shows that he's a devil with class.

I did watch all episodes of the Top Affiliate Challenge, but I hope the sponsors realise how unscrupulous the producers of the show are and pull the plug on sponsoring them. From the way they kept saying the winners would win a Jeep Patriot, when as the site says, it was just a 2 year lease. Also I did not openly read that the shows producers would get the other half of the prize pool. And one contest participant at least said they did not answer questions on how things would be run.
Also changing the rules as they went along.
It was nothing more than a poker match, spare a thought for those people who lost their savings or gambling money, whatever you call it.
To all of the people on John Chow's team who complained about him, were you willing to put your own money and savings on the line? If not, I don't think they have a right to complain.

"He showed me how he got his traffic, how he runs his offers and a bunch of other secret stuff."

Any tips for us? :)

Sounds like it got under your skin John. Hey John, why don't you organize your own show? I'm sure it would be great.

I like the contest. It was very entertaining and I learned a litttle bit.

Quite a pointless contest the TAC is.

I guess in a contest like this where the end result justifies the means of getting there, stuff tends to get out of hand.

Hey I'm just a little curious here. All you guys umm yeah all you people lets say umm like what is it oh yeah 27,112 or more. I'm just a little curious at why you follow this blog? It's funny because your the people that are making john chow all that money. Did you realize that? And what does he give back to you? ah some information here and there. Maybe a few give aways but thats it...

You know what. I dare you John Chow To give away 1 month of complete earnings to you readers. I DARE YOU!!!! to give every single cent back to your users. Lets see if you can do it!

Or are you a rich jerk and a coward.

Tell you what. You donate your entire month's earning to charity and I'll do the same.

Put up or shut up. :twisted:

i would like to hold u to this one day john :mrgreen:

This comment in uncalled for man. You can't speak for thousands and thousands of John's readers. John does not have to give you or anyone, anything. Go fend for yourself. It seems you are too inept to do that on your own, hence this backlash.

If you want more than what John provides on his blog, apply for social services.