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	<title>Comments on: Why Minimum Wage Laws Should Be killed - Part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-92331</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Really great points from everyone. I've been studying employment issues for a few years now (and also worked low-paid and high-paid jobs in my life). I'm torn about minimum wage's usefulness. It's true, most people on minimum wage are not in desperate financial straits ... but what about those who are? I think it's foolish to repeal the minimum wage without a replacement strategy that can ensure vulnerable workers don't get skewered. 

The points about people being paid "what they're worth" (according to the market) also speaks to another interesting issue, which is the social problems inherent in relying on the market to set things like income. Instead of saying, "let the market decide, and if wages drop such that some people need to have 3 jobs for 5 years tough for them" and "3 low-paid, part-time, no-benefits jobs are better than nothing" another solution is to beef up the social safety net with paid training (in-school and on-the-job) so people, and thus society, can handle market vagaries. A number of European countries have implemented this "flexicurity" model, with great success. By success I mean high country economic competitiveness and low unemployment. 
http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeurope/flexibility-social-security-key-employment-experts-agree/article-144592

As to Alberta having low minimum wage but high actual wages, I think this is very, very likely due to the explosion in jobs (especially traditionally low-income ones like the service industry) from the oil boom. Because of the unusually (and, because resource-based, probably unsustainably) strong labour market there, I'd say it's anomalous and not a good example. 

Adrienne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Really great points from everyone. I&#8217;ve been studying employment issues for a few years now (and also worked low-paid and high-paid jobs in my life). I&#8217;m torn about minimum wage&#8217;s usefulness. It&#8217;s true, most people on minimum wage are not in desperate financial straits &#8230; but what about those who are? I think it&#8217;s foolish to repeal the minimum wage without a replacement strategy that can ensure vulnerable workers don&#8217;t get skewered. </p>
<p>The points about people being paid &#8220;what they&#8217;re worth&#8221; (according to the market) also speaks to another interesting issue, which is the social problems inherent in relying on the market to set things like income. Instead of saying, &#8220;let the market decide, and if wages drop such that some people need to have 3 jobs for 5 years tough for them&#8221; and &#8220;3 low-paid, part-time, no-benefits jobs are better than nothing&#8221; another solution is to beef up the social safety net with paid training (in-school and on-the-job) so people, and thus society, can handle market vagaries. A number of European countries have implemented this &#8220;flexicurity&#8221; model, with great success. By success I mean high country economic competitiveness and low unemployment.<br />
<a href="http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeurope/flexibility-social-security-key-employment-experts-agree/article-144592" rel="nofollow">http://www.euractiv.com/en/socialeurope/flexibility-social-security-key-employment-experts-agree/article-144592</a></p>
<p>As to Alberta having low minimum wage but high actual wages, I think this is very, very likely due to the explosion in jobs (especially traditionally low-income ones like the service industry) from the oil boom. Because of the unusually (and, because resource-based, probably unsustainably) strong labour market there, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s anomalous and not a good example. </p>
<p>Adrienne</p>
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		<title>By: BlogaDollar.com</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-91811</link>
		<dc:creator>BlogaDollar.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no no! Don't kill minimum wage! If I don't succeed in blogging, I'll have to go for minimum wage!

If you want to see my daily progression:
&lt;a href="http://www.blogadollar.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;BlogaDollar.com&lt;/a&gt;
Greetings from France John.

P.S I was just kidding. I'll succeed in blogging. Never let go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no no! Don&#8217;t kill minimum wage! If I don&#8217;t succeed in blogging, I&#8217;ll have to go for minimum wage!</p>
<p>If you want to see my daily progression:<br />
<a href="http://www.blogadollar.com" rel="nofollow">BlogaDollar.com</a><br />
Greetings from France John.</p>
<p>P.S I was just kidding. I&#8217;ll succeed in blogging. Never let go!</p>
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		<title>By: pj</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-91521</link>
		<dc:creator>pj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless you have an econometric model to prove that minimum wage is a significant factor (in the statistic sense) in determining unemployment rate and/or average pay, your last sentence is wishful thinking.

This is not to say I disagree (I agree actually), but there is no need to lower yourself to pub talk and quick conclusions here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless you have an econometric model to prove that minimum wage is a significant factor (in the statistic sense) in determining unemployment rate and/or average pay, your last sentence is wishful thinking.</p>
<p>This is not to say I disagree (I agree actually), but there is no need to lower yourself to pub talk and quick conclusions here.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-91428</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a biased and ignorant statement. How many people over 50 do you hang out with? Why don't you change your social set then report back?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a biased and ignorant statement. How many people over 50 do you hang out with? Why don&#8217;t you change your social set then report back?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luckily for Americans, they are unable to offshore the Wal-Mart greeter position. Seems like minimum wage is all we'll have left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luckily for Americans, they are unable to offshore the Wal-Mart greeter position. Seems like minimum wage is all we&#8217;ll have left.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-91423</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a clue please. When my high paying highly technical job went offshore because it could be done at a cost of less than U.S. minimum wage that proved to me in hard cold reality, that education is no more important than a strong back.

If you are a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, an architect, a programmer, whatever. You're job can be sent offshore for less than minimum wage. 

Why don't you wake up from your 1950's era dream and smell the global coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get a clue please. When my high paying highly technical job went offshore because it could be done at a cost of less than U.S. minimum wage that proved to me in hard cold reality, that education is no more important than a strong back.</p>
<p>If you are a lawyer, a doctor, an engineer, an architect, a programmer, whatever. You&#8217;re job can be sent offshore for less than minimum wage. </p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you wake up from your 1950&#8217;s era dream and smell the global coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Freebies</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-91130</link>
		<dc:creator>Freebies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense, but agreeing with somebody &lt;i&gt;solely&lt;/i&gt; because they've had past (and still present) success is pretty foolish. :) This goes for any field, not just economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense, but agreeing with somebody <i>solely</i> because they&#8217;ve had past (and still present) success is pretty foolish. <img src='http://www.johnchow.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> This goes for any field, not just economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Freebies</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-91129</link>
		<dc:creator>Freebies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree, my local Taco Bell has about three teenagers in it. The rest of middle-aged folk who look about as happy to be working there as I would look if I'd just eaten at Taco Bell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree, my local Taco Bell has about three teenagers in it. The rest of middle-aged folk who look about as happy to be working there as I would look if I&#8217;d just eaten at Taco Bell.</p>
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		<title>By: The Progressive Income Tax Is Not Progress &#124; John Chow dot Com</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-90995</link>
		<dc:creator>The Progressive Income Tax Is Not Progress &#124; John Chow dot Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 05:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my two posts about the minimum wage laws (here and here), I guess I am on a political bent. Today I want to talk about killing off the progressive [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my two posts about the minimum wage laws (here and here), I guess I am on a political bent. Today I want to talk about killing off the progressive [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.johnchow.com/why-minimum-wage-laws-should-be-killed-part-2/#comment-90933</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a small family business owner, I've always been paid by salary, far under minimum if you count the hours.
Worse than just a minimum wage increase, the majority party in my state is trying to add a 15% payroll tax (including part time) to try and take over all health insurance in the state. I see a mass exodus out of the state by any business that uses a lot of part time help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a small family business owner, I&#8217;ve always been paid by salary, far under minimum if you count the hours.<br />
Worse than just a minimum wage increase, the majority party in my state is trying to add a 15% payroll tax (including part time) to try and take over all health insurance in the state. I see a mass exodus out of the state by any business that uses a lot of part time help.</p>
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