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Zorg Links! Bid Your Site To The Top

written by Michael Kwan on September 3, 2007

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You want exposure. You want backlinks. What can you, as a budding Internet entrepreneur, do? Maybe it’s time to set up some linkbait. Maybe you need to run a hot contest. Maybe you should order a ReviewMe review or purchase some text links. Or maybe, just maybe, you could bid your way to the top by getting listed on Mike Lovatt’s Zorg Links.

The Paid Web Directory

There are many free web directories on the web that you can use to get some free linkbacks to your site, but if you’re looking for added exposure and a greater audience, these may not exactly be the most effective. With Zorg Links, everyone has to pay in order to get themselves listed on the site. There’s no set rate, so what this means is that you have to outbid your competitors. At the time that I wrote this review, the top site has a bid of $380, getting featured on the front page as well as on the site-wide sidebar.

These bids are not time-restricted. By this I mean that if you fork out $381 to oust the current top dog, you get that linkback for the life of the site. It’s permanent and will not ever be removed… that is, until someone else puts in a bid for $382.

Zorg Links ranks high in Google for key terms like “bidding directory” and “bidding web directory”. The site has a good custom design which got voted the best of its kind in a recent poll on Digital Point forums. The site features many custom mods and additional content like free themes and a blog to make it more unique, provide additional resources for visitors.

A Directory of Directories?

In the sidebar, you’ll notice that all submitted listings have been placed in different categories. They’ve got categories for everything from Advertisement to Webmaster Tools and everything in between. Some categories are more popular than others and nowhere is this more evident than the categories for paid directories. Of the about 150 (or so) sites listed, 52 are in Directories [Bidding] and 40 are in Directories [Paid].

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As a matter of fact, when you check out the front page of this bidding web directory, all fifteen of the top links are other web directories. Am I the only one who finds this terribly ironic?

Capitalize on the Cheap

While getting listed near the top in the directories categories can get pretty expensive, such is not the case with many of the other categories. The competition just isn’t there, so if you’re looking for a web directory with some prime real estate for your pets or shopping related site, you can pull it off with Zorg Links for less than $10. For Webmaster Tools, there is currently just a single link for a buck. And that’s a lifetime link. I’m sure we’ve got some webmasters out there that can afford to bid $2 for a link.

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More Than a Linkback

In addition to getting a linkback from a PR5 site (the developers predict a PR6 with the next update, when and if that ever comes), each submitted link — you can buy one here — gets its own dedicated page on the site, which has custom META keywords and description, and SEO friendly URLs to help them rank high in the search engines. On this page, you see an Alexa graph and information regarding the number of backlinks, pages indexed, and the site’s PageRank. Below this is a series of buttons for you to submit/save that site (not its page on Zorg Links) to a range of social bookmarking services like Digg, Del.icio.us, Furl, and StumbleUpon.

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Will You Really Get More Traffic?

I’m not sure. I’m no expert on the effectiveness of using a web directory to promote your site. Depending on your site’s content, there are probably cheaper ways to get some quality linkbacks too. Order up some paid posts on PayPerPost or ReviewMe, for example. Hold a contest wherein people have to link back to your site using a specific anchor text (“make money online” anyone?).

That said, because of the categorization and the bidding system, Zorg Links might be able to provide you with targeted traffic referrals, specifically from webmasters in the same or similar niche as you. If the bids haven’t gone too high, then this could be an inexpensive source of traffic.

UPDATE: Between the time that I started writing the review to the time that I put it up on the blog, several new submissions have come into Zorg Links, bumping the top link leader to $1,460. Mike Lovatt may have a winner on his hands.

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Call me sceptical - but I'm surprised anyone is using this service.

Mike does great work. Being a fixture at many webmaster forums I've seen zorg go from nothing to one of the bigger / more powerfully promoted bidding directories. I wonder if I'm still #1 under blogs? :D

Either way if you re going to bid on one try and go for one that is well promoted lots of people put it up and hope for money. A) they get very little $ and b) no one visits so no one who purchases a spot gets any traffic.

I've gotten decent traffic from Zorg in the past, hopefully alot more after this review ;).

I've been reading through all the comments about the Zorg Links and I'm not sure if it has been answered. Say if I bid $100 for the top link and then a day later if someone pays $101 for the top link (my link will move down one position), does that mean I have to pay another $2 ($2 + the original $100 I paid) to overtake the other bid or do I have to bid another $102?

No, you only need to pay another $2.

Not really sure why you would pay a huge sum of money to be listed first on a website that isn't grossly popular. And as a surfer, why would I visit this site?

I dont understand how someone can pay $3000 for a link on front page which doesnt have to last for ever.

Bravo Zorg. Glad to hear an idea like that is paying off, makes me feel like my off the wall ideas have a chance :lol:

Mike the Zorg guy -
Yahoo directory charges $300 premium because it has such a good PR and reputation. Until you get that kind of PR, I wouldn't pay $20. I may have considered it if it were below $5. I don't think it is worth $20 from a directory of PR 0 level.

www.domain-pop.com

go scan my domain. you will realise i have many PR6 and PR7 backlinks, and if you know SEO well you will know google internally updates PR all the time. You will understand then that my site is not PR0, it would be PR5 or PR6 when the toolbar updates....

There are a lot of directories out there with 1000-2000 backlinks but they have only PR1 or PR2. Now don't BS people around with PR predictor. Unless these PR predictors use the same algorithm as Google, there is no way they can be correct.

Probably from being linked by John Chow :D

Jeez, how did these link sites get so high on PR?

"that is, until someone else puts in a bid for $382"

That doesn't sound like a very good deal! :/

Wow. That's, like...brilliant. I wish I had thought of it. :P

If I had a pound for every time.... :twisted:

Is there any evidence showing whether one of these backlinks actually has any effect on search engine ranking? Doesn't Google's algorithm automatically discount these sorts of directory links? I suppose it can't _hurt_, but I think there are more effective ways to spend the ad dollars...

I am looking for some guy that was either heckling John or something and John blogged about him and site him a lot of traffic. He was a newbie blogger that had just started his own name blog, and I was wanting to check it out again, but I can not seem to find it. Anyone with alittle help here?

Zorg looks quite professional compared to many of the spammy directories out there. But I don't want any links right now.

I just got slapped by Google for getting too many inbounds for a press release I submitted for my plumbing site, and I'm not on the front page for many of my keywords anymore. I'm assuming that's the reason as I can't see what else I did wrong.

You can't win. If I'd paid for a heap of links instead of getting them honestly they probably wouldn't have done a thing. Never mind, at least I got in the newspaper through the press release.

Anyway directories like Zorg don't seem so bad. It's the directories that add thousands of businesses without asking that I hate because it's often them you wind up competing against for your keywords on Google.

Unless you buy it on JohnChow.com! :lol:

Success is not as simple as buying a link!

As a brand new blogger I find it very exciting to discover tools and resources like this, especially this early on in my blogging career. Zorg is definitely something that I am going to investigate and then apply to any new blogs that I create over time.
Thanks very much

I dont mess with directories often, but this is something that I may look into...

Is it just me that the pagerank on zorg-links is 0? Not that I want to make thing worse, you can't possibly predict PR! IWEBTOOL is a SCAM! They just calculate all that backlinks you have and say good luck this is the amount of links you have and you should get this PR. That is no where near the real Google algorithm. Take iwebtool as a grain of sand.

This Zorg Link Directory is really rather small, and it is based on a PHP script that anyone can buy cheap. All this Zorg-man has done is slap a site up on the Internet. And just because his site is PR is 4 or 5 (or so) does not mean that your backlinks will show up on Zorg webpages with PR greater than 0.

Submitting to Internet directories has to be the most boring activity in life -- bricklaying is more fun. So if you plan on getting your links into the tens of thousands of competing directories out there on the web, then hire someone to do it for you, someone in the developing world, where the wages are cheap. That's what the really big webmasters do: they outsource the menial aspects of marketing and promotion.

True, with directories you get a "backlink" to your site, but what about all the new algorithms that Google and other search engines are implementing which devalue the link if it is paid for? With any web directory, don't you think that's obvious? You can pay a ton of money for a link in a great web directory, but statistics show that it can actually HURT your SERPs.

I used to own several web directories, but I sold them due to a drastic decline in popularity due to this very reason. This is also why I attempt to "disguise" paid links on my blog by calling them "Links of Interest" or some other similar title rather than "Paid Sponsors".

According to Master Matt Cutt, Google is devaluing paid-link and not paid directory link. At the moment, it doesn't looks like they had the a solution to paid-links. They can hunt down a block of link with the title "sponsor" or similar, but what if I used an image instead?

Now please show statistics that it will hurt your SERP! If it hurts SERP, I can submit all my competitors sites to directories and good-bye their ranking while I reap the reward. Google are not dumb, and they make billions out of us :twisted:. Don't spread rumors when you had no idea what you are talking about.

It may or may not hurt but if your paid directory submission service can 1. Generate referral traffic 2. Provide any PR benefit 3. Improve overall site performance in the serps then I'd like to see some proof? I've used services just like yours (manual directory submission) and I've NEVER seen any of those benefits. If it hurts or not I can't say but other than the ODP and Yahoo I've never found a directory yet than provides any benefit to webmasters.

That is your opinion. I have seem many people's websites jump up for a targetted niche keyword where competition is low. It will never hurt your SERP result. If it can, then I can just go around and screw my competitors.

If it does drop your SERP ranking by submitting to directories, I just got myself a new service. Submit your competitor's website to 1000 directories and watch them drop in SERP ranking :twisted: . I think I'll get 10 times more sales than I have right now.

Then prove that your service provides any value?

"They can hunt down a block of link with the title “sponsor” or similar, but what if I used an image instead?"

They'll have an even higher "link to text" ratio and be less accessible. It's not really a long-term solution.

The company I used to work for had good advice for any customers wanting to get higher ranks, and it was that the important thing was content. If you have good content, everything else will come naturally. People will link to it, and Google will find it. Trying to keep one step ahead of search engines will just be time consuming and risky!

I would really like to see an algorithm that detects if a like has been paid or not, yes it can scan the HTML tables in search for a sponsor, paid, keyword but hey I can live with that. A simple thesaurus will do the trick, I can find hundreds of other phrases that mean the same thing and the google crawlers would never even dream that they're paid links.

That's my understanding, your link is permenant until some one outbids you that is..

"These bids are not time-restricted. By this I mean that if you fork out $381 to oust the current top dog, you get that linkback for the life of the site. It’s permanent and will not ever be removed… that is, until someone else puts in a bid for $382."

That is pointless. You are better off going to buy 10X PR-6 paid-links for $30.

$30/each

Michael left you a little confused.

Zorg links is a bid for position directory. Listings are shown in order of bid amount. if someone outbids you, they will just rank higher than you. No sites get removed (unless they breach the TOS in which case they get refunded)

I have a question, so if someone outbids another person the site gets removed as well as the linkbacks?

IMHO, I feel Mike may have hiked the price temporarily to take "advantage" of JC readers, picture this: he would make $10 for 10 new listings if he had the old price on, if he sells just one listing now, he makes atleast $20! It makes business sense to me to take advantage of the spike of traffic, but I think he overdid it when he did so just for us - does he think we are fools or what?!

And, the whole deal of the prices increasing (from $300 odd to $1500 odd in as little as the time it takes to complete a review), makes it all the more suspect! He might well have thought, wow, JC just accepted to review my site, let me increase the top bids a bit to make it look big!

I'm not claiming that I am sure of this, ofcourse, I have no proof whatsoever, but Mike, I'd love to hear you deny the FACTS I put across.

Its a shame you think like that. The owner of the top 3 sites, outbidded beacon directory yesterday. They continued to outbid each other until they either ran out of cash or gave up.

Thats why the bids have changed so much since when the review was written. I even have email/paypal reciepts/over $3000 in my paypal account to proove these facts.

Im no scammer, scammers are dumb and would never get reviewed by mr chow ;)

I don't know about it, the average Internet user would never heard of such thing as Zorg Links, I would not use it personally. And I am sure I am not alone on this one... Am I?

That point doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.

The average internet user has never heard of "Tyson Williams", but that does not mean it isn't receiving tons and tons of traffic. Directories are usually based on how much promotion is being done to them, rather than how many people know about it as a brand.

$1460 for top placement. Now that is one big spender for a link ;)

why dont you start one called the evil eye directory or whatever "keyword" you are currently known in the blogosphere.

Hi Guys,

I'm Mike, the guy who ordered this review. I wanted to clarify a few things first.

Firstly, the backlinks. Many SEO companies crawl the web looking for decent directories to submit to. They dont look at features like page rank, they look at the quality of the sites listed in the directory, and what benefits it would bring. Just look at many paid directories and you will see companies like British Airways and other big brands listed there.

The $20 it costs to submit has risen recently. I set my price based on the quality of the directory. Its not about $20 for a link, its about the quality of that link. Google has stated that webmasters buying text links is bad. They have however said webmasters are free to submit to web directories, as this is a safe way of gaining backlinks.

Look around. yahoo charges $300 for a listing there, many other paid directories charge over $50, so i consider $20 a very reasonable price.

With people trying to gain high PR links as cheaply as possible, or even for free, google is spotting this. Signature links, blog comment links, top commenters, word clouds are all being ignored.

Web directories are becoming one of the safe places to gain quality relevant backlinks to the site.

The PageRank on my site has yet to update as google is taking forever with this update. This is the reason why some of the categories have few sites listed, as some people are only prepared to pay once they see evidence of PR.

As for the listings on the homepage, they are bound to be only web directories. Its in their advantage to get listed there, as the traffic is targetted and will likely result in sales. It wouldnt be worth paying over $200 to get a recipe site listed there.

Thanks to those with the positive comments, and to Michael for writing a nice review. So far the "John Chow effect" has seen me sell a listing for $30, and my traffic rise quite a lot. In the 4 hours that analytics has been tracking today, i already have more traffic than the weekend.

Mike

Hi Mike,

This is just my opinion but what is it that makes your directory different from all the others out there? I could list hundreds of PR6 directories. Like I said previously I've used directory listings for years from many paid/exclusive very high ranking directories and NEVER noticed any benefit to the linked website. The only 2 directories I've ever found to be worth anything for webmasters are Yahoo and the ODP.

If your directory really does offer some benefit (referral/PR or SERPS) then I'd sign up straight away and bring a load of clients websites with me.

Until the recent drop in SERPs, site submitted to my directory ranked high for their title text.

For example, www.idk.in submitted to zorg links. when his site was searched for in google, my site ranked closely to his. I am doing some nice work on the site to ensure listed sites get the maximum benefits. One of those is ranking highly in google.

But your own site doesn't even rank on the first page of Google or Yahoo for the highly competitive phrase zorg links, it only makes it to number 3 on Live Search?

I'll pass thanks.

This is something very recent. You will notice the major directories like alive directory and aviva have had the same problem. This happened on sunday. Seems google had an algorithm change. i am fully confident things will be normal soon.

This is normal. The valued directories are still in place. Aviva and Alive are not major directories, I have plenty of sites in both and they have made do difference in either traffic or SEO terms. It's not just a Google thing, Yahoo also dislike paid directories. MSN takes less account of backlinks so it's not as important.

I'm not trying to beat up on directories, paid or otherwise, it's just from my own experience (and $1000s of Dollars) I've found them all to be worthless. I would really LOVE to find one that wasn't, if that's yours then great.

I will not condemn this, I felt it too google did have an algorithm change for sure, it usually takes a couple of days for the whole system to re-stabilize itself and I'm very confident that Zorg Links will go back to the top of the search engine results.